oz@rlgvax.UUCP (09/04/83)
#R:hp-dcd:21300004:rlgvax:-1:37777777600:341 rlgvax!oz Jul 28 16:35:00 1983 How many of you out there think that Chris had something else in mind, and then was either forced to change his mind, or wimped out? It would not be the first time for old "C.C." The build up was way to much for the story that we ended up seeing. I still think that Madeline doesn't look THAT much like Jean. OZ seimso!rlgvax!oz
kel@ea.UUCP (08/23/84)
#R:hound:-57900:ea:2300005:37777777600:189 ea!kel Aug 22 17:36:00 1984 Locate, and go to a comics convention in your area, if you don't have any better ideas. you'll at least get an idea what prices are. The dealer you mentioned was trying to rip you off.
iv@trsvax.UUCP (09/05/84)
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/***** trsvax:net.comics / hp-dcde!jack / 9:50 pm Sep 1, 1984 */
The Sub-Mariner is arguably Namor MacKenzie.
-Jack Applin
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Like, take off, hoser, he is not...
IV (aka John Elliott IV)
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...{convex!ctvax,microsoft}!trsvax!ivlmaher@uokvax.UUCP (10/31/84)
>> From: dartvax!mwm (Mark Modrall) >> Just a quick note about x-men 137.... i agree with the way >> that it was handled. Jean had just killed a star system, but >> more than that, what ... would that do? you would >> have one normal person who used to be god that would have to >> fade into the wood-work... no, the way they did it, they got rid >> of a too powerful character, and made a hell of a good tear- >> jerker out of it.... > decwrl!boyajian > Apparently, you're not aware of Claremont's plans for her > if she had lived. Magneto finds out about > Jean's "lobotomy", and convinces her that he can restore her > powers to her if she'll betray the X-Men and help him. It > doesn't really matter whether or not he *can* do it, just as long > as she believes that he *might* be able to do it. Her inner > struggle to decide whetheror not to go along with him would've > formed the basis for #150 (if you had lost all of *your* senses, > wouldn't you really consider doing *anything* to get them > back?). > I'm sorry that this storyline wasn't able to be pursued. So am I, deeply. In an interview Claremont said that the speech the Watcher gave at the end of #137 was originally intended for #150, after Jean turns down Magneto's offer. #150 is one of my favorite issues anyway, for what it shows us about Magneto, but I wish... Carl {allegra,ihnp4}!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (10/31/84)
This reply is about a week old, but since I've got no time for further revision before I leave for Fermilab, here goes: uokvax wasn't recieving news for the last two weeks, and they all arrived today. So I read all 100 or so of them in one setting. With that as a possible alibi, ... >vax2!moriarty > >SWAMP THING ANNUAL #2 [A+]: After a review like this, I guess I've *got to* look into this, although the two issues I've tried so far were only good (liked Pog, tho). >last things to get a tingle going along the spine was X-Men #175, the X-Men >graphic novel ("God creates, man kills"? -- truly one of the best endings in >a long time (the progressive frames going from the wounded Rev. to the >policeman who shot him... that STILL gets me!)),... The Marvel Graphic Novel "God Loves, Man Kills" is one of my favorites too. Who can forget the opening scene? And Anne is one of my five favorite villains in all of comics, on sheer guts alone. >X-MEN #189 [B-]: > >...The '-' is for a >mistake I think I found: In the X-Men annual, hasn't Kitty just gotten back >from Japan with Logan? Because if this is true, then why is she in Japan >when Ororo leaves? Perhaps Ororo gets caught up in the Kulan Gath return to yesteryear, (her ship didn't get far enough away?) and doesn't leave for good until 192. [This has come out since I wrote this and does just that] > One thing: I believe that "newscast" on the Sony Watchman shown at >the end must have been a paid political broadcast. I cannot believe that >America has devolved enough in the X-Men's world where fascist propoganda >could go out over the airwaves as a newscast. During the World Wars, how did commentators discuss the enemy? Or how are mass murderers treated in the news? (I mean, other than selling the rights to their story for big bucks to pay lawyers with. :-) ) >A paid political broadcast, >yes (Lyndon LaRouche does it ALL the time!), but the newscaster doing it >would indicate a general rottenness at the core -- I just don't think it >could go over so blatantly. Maybe it was an unpaid commentary, inviting spokesman for the opposite side to apply for equal time. Or maybe the newsman let his own prejudices slant his delivery and spoke out of line, in which case he'll no doubt be hearing from the Mutant Defense League. Speaking of which,... >I mean, there must be a Moriarty clone on >Earth-Marvel... what the hell's HE up to? Organizing Pro-Mutant-Rights >marches, I'll bet... :-) Probably flaming about it in net.super.villains! :-) But we all know that Earth-Marvel's Moriarty *IS* a mutant... >THE P.I.'S #1 [D]: > > Well, back to the drawing board.... Hey, this was great fun! I love the way they get on each other's nerves; just wait and see as they grow fonder of each other (grudgingly), and wind up getting married. (If anyone *needs* the :-) on this, I don't think I wanna know.) >DREADSTAR #14 [C-]: > > "I~Imagine the announcer for Bullwinkle: > > "Well, it looks pretty grim for the boys this time! Stay tuned next >week for 'Growing Old Gracefully', or, 'You Broke My Sword In San Francisco'!" > >"Gosh, Bullwinkle, what'll we do now?" I gave up Dreadstar around #6, in hindsight it seems a wise choice. But the quotes certainly brought back some fond, if irrelevant, memories. >TIME SPIRITS #1 [C-]: > > I believe this is still germinating... but Yeates is as spooky as he >ever was in SWAMP THING, and the creature who inhabits the chief's body is >pretty scary... That's intriguing enough to con me into picking up an issue. [I wasn't sorry I did so. The Bloodless Gheebe is indeed chilling.] Carl {allegra,ihnp4}!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (11/01/84)
>Note 172 Re: OC (operant conditioning and nin >shark!hutch 1:12 pm Oct 4, 1984 > >I don't think that what is happening to Kitty in K&W has a lot to do >with operant conditioning. What actually is happening there is that >the author read too many Eric Von Lustbader books. >I suspect that Kitty is being prepared in a similar fashion, except that >... >that it is there. The training-under-brainwashing method won't do this >reliably because it is unstable in sufficiently intelligent people. >Also, she has had Xavier's training in mind control. She should be able >to throw off the conditioning. And I'll bet she does, probably in time to defeat the bad guy. The obvious guess is that "killing" Wolverine will snap her out, but with three issues to go that's too premature. >SPOILER WARNING: > >Oh, by the way, in "Ninja" when the hero inevitably manages to safely >disarm his "possessed" lover, she snaps the conditioning, but retains >the full set of skills she was given by the bad guy. This is interesting >because she realizes that she hasn't got the discipline nor the maturity >to safely hold those skills. > >It will be interesting to see what they do with Kitty in this regard. I bet she does the same, and loses the skills. Which would be a real shame, because I'd *like* to see Kitty remain deadly (even if she's not really a midget, just short :-) ). Have others noticed that the most bloodthirsty of the X-Men/Newts are the young women: Rachel (so she's really 34 - sue me), Amara, Danielle, Illyana, and possibly now Kitty are willing to kill if the stakes are high enough, just like Wolverine. Seems to me Logan could take these 5 and do some *serious* damage to Operation Wideawake, Shaw Industries, and Henry Peter Gyrich. Hey, there could even be a mini-series in this! We could call it, let's see... Wolverine and the Weasel Pack! :-) Carl Rigney, President of the Deadly Midget Fan Club USMail: Box 192, Seminole, OK 74868 USENET: {allegra,ihnp4}!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher (but off to Fermilab from November 1 to mid-January) "They little knew of brotherhood, the faith of fighting men..."
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (11/01/84)
decwrl!boyajian on Iron Man: >The latest issue is worth reading, though, for one panel: to defeat the Termite, >Tony calls the Avengers, and Vision acquires for him (presumably, since Tony >didn't previously know about it, the Vision said "I've got just the thing..."), >from Gyrich, Forge's Neutralizer, which the Scarlet witch brings along. After >learning about the growing Mutant Fear in the country, Tony says: > >"I'd like to take a good look at this thing before we use it-- I may just have >to make an anti-neutralizing device some day!" > >(heh heh) > >--- jmb But you must have missed the panel where Rhodey *crushes* the device - so it looks like Tony won't get a chance to study it. Or at least that's how I felt the scene was meant - Rhodey's arrogance could someday cost the Scarlet Witch her life - if things get bad enough. "O to be in Chicago, now that Wintertime is here..." Carl Rigney USMail: Box 192, Seminole, OK 74868 USENET: {allegra,ihnp4}!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher
broehl@wateng.UUCP (Bernie Roehl) (11/04/84)
>>The latest issue is worth reading, though, for one panel: to defeat the Termite, >>Tony calls the Avengers, and Vision acquires for him (presumably, since Tony >>didn't previously know about it, the Vision said "I've got just the thing..."), >>from Gyrich, Forge's Neutralizer, which the Scarlet witch brings along. After >>learning about the growing Mutant Fear in the country, Tony says: >> >>"I'd like to take a good look at this thing before we use it-- I may just have >>to make an anti-neutralizing device some day!" >> >>(heh heh) >> >>--- jmb > >But you must have missed the panel where Rhodey *crushes* the >device - so it looks like Tony won't get a chance to study it. Although he may have had time in between that observation and the time the neutralizer was crushed to determine the principles on which it's based. In any case, the *feasability* of an anti-neutralizer has been mentioned; even without the original, it sounds like it's possible for someone (Forge, Tony, Reed, any number of others) to come up with such a device.. -- -Bernie Roehl (University of Waterloo) ...decvax!watmath!wateng!broehl 73:78:79:14:y:y:4.2BSD:microcomputer,software,theatre,comedy,improvisation
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (02/20/85)
<Just dropped in for a comment...> Like Laurie Sefton, I prefer Earth-2. I cannot stand the Earth-1 Superman, but the Earth-2 Superman I like, because he's vulnerable - "He never got past the leaping tall buildings in a single bound bit, and while immune to bursting shells, he was not invulnerable; a building falling on him could kill." There's a scene in one of the All-Stars shortly after its revival that shows the aging Clark Kent responding to an emergency. He steps into a closet, there's a whoosh and a flutter of paper, and he's gone. It may sound inconsequential in words, but it struck me as one of the most powerful moments in comics (well, maybe not all that much, but...). Perhaps the natural aging of Earth-2's heroes reinforces the sense of their mortality. I also like the Huntress very much, and while I don't like Infinity, Inc. I do like the idea of second-generation heroes. I hope that with this reorganization DC will begin to age their characters at a real time rate, so 20 years from now we'll be seeing their children take up the cape and mask. Currently I'm not enjoying CRISIS, but at least it's better than Secret Wars (what wouldn't be?!). "In nature there are neither rewards nor penalties, there are consequences." Carl Rigney USMAIL: Dorm 4, Room 45/ Fermilab/ Box 500/ Batavia, IL 60510 TELEPHONE: (312) 840-4922 at home or 840-4653 at work BITNET: RIGNEY@FNAL SLAC DECNET: FNAL::RIGNEY (if you can reach the node FNAL) USENET: allegra!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher (will be printed out and forwarded)
neutron@hpfcla.UUCP (neutron) (08/15/85)
>> Way back when when Phoenix was still believed to be Jean Grey she put part >> of her essence or life force into this little crystal ball. If I remember >> right it was supposed to be a gift to Scott. As I recall, it was given to Scott at Jean's funeral by Lilandra (sp?) and how it was created was not revealed. We saw it frown once. -Jack Applin
yoshida@hpfcla.UUCP (09/09/85)
The SHADOW? Is this the same shadow of Pulp hero fame that was later made into a comic by DC (written by Denny O'Neil, drawn by Mw Kaluta. A very good mag in the beginning, but it slowly deteriorated after its first 7 or 8 issues, and then quietly died). I'm looking forward to seeing this flick, whatever the case may be... Stuart Yoshida Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins UUCP: ...ihnp4!hpfcla!hpfclh!yoshida ** The preceding statements do not reflect the views of my employers, ** so don't blame them, BLAME ME!!
rs@mirror.UUCP (10/10/85)
"As the Mutant Turns"!
Wonderful! Send it to CBG, send it to Shitter(sp?), send
it everywhere!
(And who's the writer? Stand up and take the credit you'r due!)
--
Rich $alz {mit-eddie, ihnp4!inmet, wjh12, cca, datacube} !mirror!rs
Mirror Systems 2067 Massachusetts Ave.
617-661-0777 Cambridge, MA, 02140yoshida@hpfcla.UUCP (12/04/85)
It's hard not to accept an invitation from Jeff to discuss a relevant
topic in "net.comics." And although I wasn't fortunate enough to pick
up an issue of Miracle Man #1 or 2 (and what with the price of a back
issue running at $5 and up it seems unlikely that I'll read them in
the near future), I'd nonetheless like to comment on some of the
topics he brought up.
The concept of Stage I and II Superheroes is a logical grouping of the
comics book characters as they started in their raw form in the late
30's and their present "modern" counterparts in the 80's. (See the
parent article for a detailed description.) Jeff makes broad
generalizations which are, of course, necessary to try and discern a
pattern, and at the same time (as should be) he acknowledges that
there are always exceptions. So what we're talking about here are
TRENDS.
Admittedly, I have a narrower first-hand experience (so to speak) than
a lot of people in reguard to the number of comics I've read. My main
diet consisted of DC's line starting from the late 60's with only a
smattering of Marvel mixed in. However, I'm an avid fan of comic book
history, and I've read many an article about the origins of the DC and
Marvel Universes.
I think Stage III showed itself in the birth of the Independents.
(Okay, okay, I know it sounds obvious, but SOMEONE has to say it.)
Pacific, Eclipse, First, Renegade, and (to a lesser extent) Epic
Comics (to name a few) provided an alternative to the mainstream
titles that had long held the market in a stranglehold. One of my
first encounters with the independents was "Somerset Holmes" from
Pacific Comics, a superb series of intrigue and a first-rate spy
thriller. What is more, the main character possessed no super-powers,
and you could conceivably convince yourself that, yes indeed, this
story might REALLY have happened. The "alternates" had the advantage
of having a clean slate; they could do WHATEVER they wanted to without
fear of ruining continuity. Maybe this approach was better --
however, it does threaten to repeat past mistakes. The DC Universe
started off as a group of characters that knew nothing of the other's
existence, and then books like the All-Star Squadron, the Justice
League, the (in)famous Flash cross-over story, and so on, created such
a miasma of confusion that CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS was finally
conceived to do some major surgery to the DC legend.
So, are the independents ushering in a new age? Will Superheroes have
more "believeable" powers and living situations such as "Miracle Man,"
or will these Stage III characters be bereft of fantastic abilities
such as "Somerset Holmes"? The trend, I feel, is DEFINITELY upon us.
What its form will be is certainly hard to tell. Most likely from
what I've read of the Independents the new Heroes will have less power
and more characterization. Everyone looks for milestones, and maybe
Miracle Man is that milestone. Unfortunately, only time (and the
readers response) will tell...
And finally...A Merry Christmas to all you folks out in Netland!
Stuart Yoshida
"One World (Not Three)"
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hplabs!-------/slrichte@uok.UUCP (12/11/85)
> Written 6:26 pm Nov 30, 1985 by henry@utzoo.UUCP in uok.UUCP:net.comics */ >[X-FACTOR is] the flagship of the >"go for the money, never mind the quality" philosophy that is probably >going to cause a hemorrhage of creative talent away from Marvel. Actually, the thought of the royalty money from a title like X-FACTOR is probably all the incentive many comic creators need to stick around the ol' bullpen. --Steve Richter USENET: {ihnp4,allegra!cbosgd}!okstate!uokvax!uok!slrichte USMAIL: S. Richter c/o Southside, 754 Asp, Norman, OK 73069
slrichte@uok.UUCP (12/13/85)
>From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP (Vincent J. Murphy?) >Is there anyone else out there who hates Marvel as much as I do? >I dare them to make their presence known to mankind. Since the current trend is to dump on Marvel, you shouldn't have to dare anyone to speak up--Marvel has certainly published many poorly crafted stories in the last few years. However, Marvel is also re- sponsible for many of the good comics to come out in the last few years. Power Pack, Black Dragon, and Doctor Strange, for instance, have been very good titles. A blanket statement like "I hate Marvel Comics" is as absurd as the "DC Sucks" brandished about by the nean- dertal zombies I ocassionally meet. >But after reading a multitude of other Marvel titles, I >found that Daredevil was the only one to keep my attention. Daredevil is certainly unique in its gritty, "realistic", content. Several comic readers I know buy only Daredevil and the Elektra books. You should be glad there's SOMETHING on the stands that you enjoy. >I don't care about mutants, and neither do most 9 year-old >kids. What has that got to do with anything? Most nine year olds kids don't even read comic books. >If I want philosophy I'll read a novel..... Criticising comics for what they don't contain is ultimately a fruitless effort. --Steve Richter USENET: {ihnp4,allegra!cbosgd}!okstate!uokvax!uok!slrichte USMAIL: S. Richter c/o Southside, 754 Asp, Norman, OK 73069