[net.bicycle] The Case for Clunkers

thielges@uiuccsb.UUCP (04/04/84)

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uiuccsb!thielges    Apr  3 16:37:00 1984

After the 10 speed bike that I used to ride around town was stolen,  I 
decided to look for a less stealable alternative to buying a new 10
speed bike to replace the stolen.  At a police auction, I found an
old decrepit 3 speed clunker that I was sure that no one else would ever
think of taking.  To my surprise, the clunker was a better buy than I 
had ever expected.  The advantages of a clunker bike I have observed so
far are :
	1.  They are better suited for short trip city riding.  You ride
		uppright and mounting and dismounting is easier.
	2.  They are cheap.  I think this is because they are less "fashionable"
		and therefore, there is not a high demand for them.
	3.  They are rugged.  The 3 speed mechanism is totally enclosed in
		the rear hub and rarely fails.  Almost nothing besides a flat
		can go wrong with a 1 speed wheel.
	4.  Parts are easy to find, especially if you live in a town where
		hundreds of abandonded bikes laying around town can be
		savalged.
	5.  Clunkers ride well over rough streets.  They are a cheap substitute
		to the now popular mountain bikes.
	6.  They are already ugly so you don't have to worry about scratching
		the finish.  As a result, you'll use your clunker more often.

After riding my clunker for a few weeks, I realized that I had two distinctly
different needs for bicycle transportation : short distance commuting and long
distance touring.  To serve those two different needs, one bike just can't do
the job as well as a two bike combination.  I use my clunker for city travel
and my 10 speed for touring (A few weeks after it was stolen, I was able to
reclaim it when I caught the thief with it elsewhere)

I would urge those of you who ride $200+ sport/touring to work/school every
day to consider obtaining a clunker.  If you look hard enough, you probably
can find one for free from a friend who has an unused 3 speed in his/her
garage.
				Bart Thielges
				...uiucdcs!thielges 

grt@hocda.UUCP (G.TOMASEVICH) (04/04/84)

I agree with everything in the article but one:  Three-speed hubs do not
stand up to hard usage.  I have a 'tank', which has 20" wheels on a 45"
wheel base.  I have used it hard for about 8 years, the last 5 commuting
in bad weather when I do not use another bike (I have 4).  Below about 10
deg. the hub stops working.  I switched to 10 speeds on that bike and have
been more satisfied with the performance in snow and cold.  I have used a
fixed wheel on it too, which is best on flat terrain, but does not work
out on the hills when it is slippery.

paul@uiucuxc.UUCP (04/08/84)

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uiucuxc!paul    Apr  6 22:19:00 1984

Re: the Case for the Clunker

This story runs true to the 50 lb rule for bicycles, e.g., a 20 lb bike
requires a 30 lb lock, a 50 lb bike requires no lock.

         Paul Pomes

uucp:    {decvax,ihnp4,pur-ee,ucbvax}!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!paul
US Mail: University of Illinois
         1304 W Springfield, Urbana, IL  61801

colonel@sunybcs.UUCP (George Sicherman) (04/10/84)

[arf! arf! I smell a cyclist!]

I agree!  I've been driving one-speeds for years - currently it's a
Union Safari that I hauled over from Amsterdam in '80.  It's not much
on hills, but Buffalo doesn't have any hills.  And it wears like iron.
A campus policeman nearly lost his temper trying to engrave my SSN thru
the enamel!  Besides, the fully enclosed chain laughs at Buffalo's famous
awful weather.

One year I finished tenth* in the local Penn Masters with it too.
Not bad for a heavyweight!

		Col. G. L. Sicherman
	...seismo!rochester!rocksvax!sunybcs!colonel

* Out of fourteen, but four dropped out along the way.

fred@umcp-cs.UUCP (04/16/84)

I recently (< 1 month ago) switched from riding a heavy 1-speed
with coaster brakes, to a 12-speed lightweight. One of the greatest
differences (I mean besides learning to use hand brakes) is that
my 12-speed is a lot less stable. I'm assuming this is due, in
part, to the fact that the lighter frame shifts my center of gravity
higher, and I expect that the lighter wheels give much less gyroscopic
action, because of their lower rotating mass.  When I would ride
the one-speed without holding the handlebars it would ride fairly
straight, and I could steer fairly well just by shifting my weight
around. If it hit a pebble or bump, it would swerve, then resume
a straight course. Riding the 12-speed with no hands requires a
lot more concentration. When it hits an obstruction in the road,
it swerves more violently, and I usually have to grab the handlebars
to keep from going off my path completely.

Have other people noticed this difference?  Is it easier to learn
to ride on a heavy bike because of this?

					- Fred Blonder
					  harpo!seismo!umcp-cs!fred

thielges@uiuccsb.UUCP (04/17/84)

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uiuccsb!thielges    Apr 16 21:27:00 1984

I agree with the comment about 3-speed hubs freezing below 10F.  I have
been able to overcome that problem by keeping my "bat bike" indoors on
nights that I know will be very cold.  Once warm, the hub will operate as
long as you keep it busy.  Hopefully, it is warmer by the time I ride
home in the afternoon.

Also, Jon White adds two more advantages of the clunker :

	7. The upright riding position makes you more visible to motorists

	8. The upright riding position allows you to see better

					Bart Thielges

jeff@dual.UUCP (Jeff Houston) (04/18/84)

A bicycles stability depends a lot upon the angles of the frame when it was
built - These differ quite a bit depending upon the bikes intended use :
racing, touring, or whatever.  The tube angles in question are those of the
head tube and seat tube of the bike.  The average 10/12 speed will have the
two tube angles at around 72 degrees which will give the bike a fairly com-
fortable ride - not stiff but also not real mushy.  A racing bike will have
these tubes at about 74 to 75 degrees giving quick response but you tend to
feel just about every shock the road has to give.  

I think that riding a 10-speed bike is tougher to master but they can deliver
much more speed - I've never seen a fat tire bike in the Tour de France...
Once you learn to handle the narrow tires and the drop handlebars and the
different riding position needed for a 10-speed then you will probably have
mastered stable riding and should be able to cruise around saying, "Look Ma
no hands" all you want.

	Jeff Houston
	Dual Systems Corp., Berkeley, CA
	{ucbvax,ihnp4,cbosgd,amd70,zehntel,fortune,decwrl}!dual!jeff

fish@ihu1g.UUCP (Bob Fishell) (04/20/84)

(oo)
The uneasy feeling you've got will pass as you get used to the bike.
It only feels more unstable because your weight is better distributed,
with more of it on the handlebars and front wheel.  You're probably
riding in the touring position, with your hands up top and closer
together.  As soon as you get over the idea that you're not going
to go right over the handlebars, get your hands down on the
underslung part of the handlebars.  You will eventually find that
this position, and this style of bike, actually give you more
stability and control than you ever had with your kiddie bike.

Next, I'll try to talk you into using racing gloves and toe clips.
-- 

                               Bob Fishell
                               ihnp4!ihu1g!fish

rogerh@arizona.UUCP (Roger Hayes) (04/23/84)

Actually, the difference in stability is caused by a difference in the 
geometry of the frame.  A shorter frame with more upright vertical members 
will be quicker, stiffer, and less stable than a more laid-down frame.  
Fancy bikes are usually made with angles in the range 72-74 degrees.  A 
racing bike may be made with angles up to 76 degrees.  It is quite possible
to make a ten-spped with good wheels and a light frame that is comfy and
stable.

By the way, I wouldn't recommend riding with no hands.  It's inefficient, 
uncomfortable, and unsafe (as I know from painful experience).