[net.bicycle] Need advice on bicycle models

dwv@ihu1g.UUCP (D. W. Vollman) (09/16/85)

I am an ex-runner whose equipment (i. e. legs, feet) have given out.
My doctor has suggested taht bicycle touring would give me tha same
type exercise and not be as hard on my body. Consequently, I have been looking
for a touring bike for both my wife and myself. I've been looking 
at the following models:


		Peugeot P8
		Connondale st400
		Shwinn letour
		Miyata 210

If anyone has had experience with these models or can steer me to ones
Iv'e overlooked, please reply to me by mail. I'll keep the responses if anyone
else is interested. Also, any advice in getting started will help.
My wife and I are in pretty good shape (I ran around 75 miles/week up to
a couple weeks ago). 

					Thanks In Advance
					Dave Vollman
					(your favorite route to)!ihnp4!ihu1g!dwv

becky@cylixd.UUCP (Becky Bates) (09/17/85)

> I am an ex-runner whose equipment (i. e. legs, feet) have given out.
> My doctor has suggested taht bicycle touring would give me tha same
> type exercise and not be as hard on my body. Consequently, I have been looking
> for a touring bike for both my wife and myself. I've been looking 
> at the following models:
> 
> 
> 		Peugeot P8
> 		Connondale st400
> 		Shwinn letour
> 		Miyata 210
> 
> If anyone has had experience with these models or can steer me to ones
> Iv'e overlooked, please reply to me by mail. I'll keep the responses if anyone
> else is interested. Also, any advice in getting started will help.
> My wife and I are in pretty good shape (I ran around 75 miles/week up to
> a couple weeks ago). 
> 
> 					Thanks In Advance
> 					Dave Vollman
> 					(your favorite route to)!ihnp4!ihu1g!dwv

I own both a Connondale model 600 don't know if its st or whatever
but it is the top touring model and I LOVE IT!!.  I also own a Schwinn
Letour which I have had for over a year now.  I will tell you what I
did before I got into bicycling seriously.  1.) Made up my mind that it
was going to be a lifetime sport, purchased books on bicycling and
read all about it before I entered a bike shop.  2.) I tried aerobics,
weight training, jogging (never got up to running) and was BORED with
it all.  I realized that the one thing I had always done over the years,
although not as consistintently (sp) as I do now, is riding my bike.
It is easy on your joints or at least more so that most other sports
besides swimming, and it can give you a real sense of freedom.  I
usually ride early in the morning or after work to clear my mind and
change my concentration from the days troubles to a relaxed state in 
which I can deal with everything and keep it in persepective.  (that
was a breath full)

Back to the bikes:
	My Schwin Letour has served well in the over 2500 miles I put
on it this year.  It has been out west and was great on the bike path
along the beach.  It really depends on what you want to do.  If you
are strictly going to tour, get a touring bike, etc.  I would
suggest you get a Sport-Touring model, much of what you indicated seems
to be in that category.  This way you can decide whether you want to 
race or tour, if you want to do both at a minimal level your 
Sport-Touring should do the job forever.  Don't go out and buy the 
super duper racer or touring model the first time around.  You may 
discover you wasted your money and your desire with the type of bike 
you chose.  Once you have made up your mind what type of biking you want
to do along with learning all about biking repair, rules, etc. then you 
will be more confident to make a decision before you plop down 400- + 
for a quality bike and equipment.  Take a sport-touring bike and use it 
in both touring and racing if you choose, then select your special bike
for the sport you have chosen.

Be careful not to get too excited about equipment, that is where the 
real money is spent.  Get a HELMET and WEAR IT!! get gloves just to
start.  If you get into distance seriously then you will soon disccover
the wonders of the padded chamois that you are NOT WEARING!! and the
balls of your feet get numb as well as you toes and hands into about
the 25th or 30th mile down the road.  But just get the gloves and
helmet to start unless you know your going to get serious.  

The Le Tour is a good model for touring, the Cannondale is lighter
and serves as well.  I think the proper fit is most important, and
it is hard to really determine that if your not an experienced rider
or not able to take the bike on a 5 to 10 mile ride from the bike 
shop.  

I haven't helped much but hope you can start from where I did and that
is reading about biking.

	Becky Bates
	Memphis, TN.
	!ihnp4!akgua!cylixd!becky

marc@bmcg.UUCP (Marc Lee) (09/19/85)

I would agree with about everything Becky Bates said, with the following
comments about the Miyata 210.  

This is the closest thing to a "bulletproof" bike I have seen, short of a
mountain bike.  I bought one about a year-and-a-half ago, for "sport-
touring" reasons (I also had to give up running), and for $270 I was
very impressed with Miyata's component selection, eg. aluminum rims, QR
hubs front & back, excellent Dia-Compe brakes, etc.  Can't comment on
the Schwinn or Cannondale, but I remember when I was shopping around,
the Miyata was the only bike with the features I wanted for under $300.
One slight negative -- Miyata makes their own tubing, and their bikes are
known for being strong (stiff) but a little on the heavy side.  The 210,
at least the year I bought it, used straight-gauge tubing, which makes
it a little heavier.  I also discovered that the inside two chain rings
are steel, a fact which is obscured by the outside aluminum ring.  This
makes the bike a little heavier still -- mine runs around 27 lb, with
triple crank and rear rack.  The bottom line, though, is that I put on
over 3000 mi. (before "graduating" to a Vitus and learning how much
maintenance an all-out racer needs) without doing a thing except clean-
ing the chain once.       

                                         Marc Lee
                                         Burroughs DSG
                                         San Diego