[net.bicycle] questions re rollers

eju@drutx.UUCP (UrygaE) (10/17/85)

I have been considering buying rollers (probably Kreitler) but haven't
yet because I'm hesitant to spend that much money when I have the
following questions and therefore wonder how much I might ever use them.
  
1.  How easy is it to learn to ride rollers and what's the best way to learn.


2.  Can you get to the point where you can ride and daydream or concentrate
    on spinning and getting a good aerobic workout and not have to worry
    about falling off?
  
3.  Is starting up and stopping any problem?  Do you need to be in a
    doorway or near some support?
  
4.  This may sound stupid, but what happens if you do ride off the rollers?
  
I ride a wind trainer which doesn't pose any of these problems but I'm
thinking that riding rollers would feel more like actually riding the
bicycle.  Is this true?
  
Any comments from experienced roller riders, especially anybody who has
ridden both wind trainers and rollers would be appreciated.
  
  
                                       Gene Uryga

reintom@rocky2.UUCP (Tom Reingold) (10/20/85)

  
> I ride a wind trainer which doesn't pose any of these problems but I'm
> thinking that riding rollers would feel more like actually riding the
> bicycle.  Is this true?
>   
> Any comments from experienced roller riders, especially anybody who has
> ridden both wind trainers and rollers would be appreciated.
>   
>   
>                                        Gene Uryga
> 

It *looks* pretty difficult to ride rollers, but so does riding a bike to
someone who doesn't ride.  Actually, you will feel uncomfortable for about
three or four days and then will feel quite at home.  If riding in a door
way makes you feel better, then by all means, do so.  However, prepare
yourself for the fact that you *will* fall a few times.  You will be
surprised to find that falling is not painful or catastrphic.  It only feels
like it will be.

Hang in there.

Tom Reingold

wagner@uw-june (Dave Wagner) (10/22/85)

I recall a big discussion in this group last fall about rollers
vs wind trainers; looks like we're about to start another one.
It may prove interesting, however, since there are some new
products on the market.

> From eju@drutx.UUCP (UrygaE) Sat Feb  5 22:28:16 206:
> I have been considering buying rollers (probably Kreitler) but haven't
> yet because I'm hesitant to spend that much money when I have the
> following questions and therefore wonder how much I might ever use them.
   
> 1.  How easy is it to learn to ride rollers and what's the best way to learn.
It takes only a few minutes to get good enough to stay up; considerably
longer to keep a straight line while riding.  Also, getting started without
leaning on anything requires some practice.
> 
> 2.  Can you get to the point where you can ride and daydream or concentrate
>     on spinning and getting a good aerobic workout and not have to worry
>     about falling off?
Unlikely that you can daydream, since even the most subtle deviation of the 
front wheel from a straight line will result in riding off the side pretty 
quickly.

> 3.  Is starting up and stopping any problem?  Do you need to be in a
>     doorway or near some support?
See #1.

> 4.  This may sound stupid, but what happens if you do ride off the rollers?
You stop dead in your tracks; the rotational momentum of the wheels is
not enought to cause you to move forward.  Not good for the wheels, though.

> I ride a wind trainer which doesn't pose any of these problems but I'm
> thinking that riding rollers would feel more like actually riding the
> bicycle.  Is this true?
OK, here's where we had a lot of different opinions last year.
One school of thought says that rollers are more realistic; as far
as developing balance, this is undeniable.  However,
the other school says that because of the tendency to bounce up and
down on rollers, you tend to pull your downstroke instead of pushing
down as hard as you would out on the road.  Your stroke becomes
*too* smooth, and you'll notice it when you get back on the road in the
spring!
   
> Any comments from experienced roller riders, especially anybody who has
> ridden both wind trainers and rollers would be appreciated.
>   
>                                        Gene Uryga

I used to have rollers (el cheapo MTD), and I didn't like them because
they didn't provide enough resistance.  Sure, you can shift to a higher
gear, but that only increases the resistance until you have accelerated
the rollers up to the faster speed; from then on it doesn't feel
much different.  You can get a good aerobic workout on them, but I
don't feel that you can build up your strength much.

Then I bought a Saturae wind trainer, and let me tell you, I can't 
imagine what kind of gorilla would want to add an extra set of fans 
(which are now available)!
They are an outrageously good anaerobic as well as aerobic workout
(which you select by the gear ratio you choose to work out in.)
Incidentally, the Saturae trainer is very stiff.  I tip the scales at
just over 200 pounds, and it doesn't flex around underneath me.

Now I'm interested in buying those blower tubes that Specialized has
just introduced.  Does anybody know if they will fit last years'
trainer model?

			Dave Wagner
			University of Washington Comp Sci Department
			wagner@washington.arpa
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