phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (03/03/85)
Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where
they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment
to do anything, I would like to inquire as to whether there would
be any interest in being able to ask applications questions to
our engineers via email or whether the old fashioned way of telephone
calls is good enough. I am sure that many (most) of the users of
USENET are software types but there are enough hardware types to
justify groups like net.analog.
I had in mind publishing a list of chips and the mboxes of the engineers
responsible for supporting them. Send mail to me indicating:
1) whether you'd use this
2) how do you get applications assistance now
3) what chips you're interested in
4) estimate of the annual dollar value of AMD chips you buy now
(personally I don't care but I think management does)
5) general comments
If you consider this an exploitation of the net, don't flame me,
just let me know. We certainly don't want to offend anybody, just
possibly offer a service of value to people.
--
Why, that's more useless than the left thumb of a touch typist!
Phil Ngai (408) 749-5720
UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil
ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPAliang@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) (03/04/85)
> Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where > they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment > to do anything, I would like to inquire as to whether there would > be any interest in being able to ask applications questions to > our engineers via email or whether the old fashioned way of telephone > calls is good enough. I am sure that many (most) of the users of > USENET are software types but there are enough hardware types to > justify groups like net.analog. > > I had in mind publishing a list of chips and the mboxes of the engineers > responsible for supporting them. Send mail to me indicating: > 1) whether you'd use this > 2) how do you get applications assistance now > 3) what chips you're interested in > 4) estimate of the annual dollar value of AMD chips you buy now > (personally I don't care but I think management does) > 5) general comments > > If you consider this an exploitation of the net, don't flame me, > just let me know. We certainly don't want to offend anybody, just > possibly offer a service of value to people. > -- > Why, that's more useless than the left thumb of a touch typist! > > Phil Ngai (408) 749-5720 > UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil > ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA maybe instead of a netwide newsgroup, you might be looking more at a netwide mailing list. -eli -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eli Liang --- University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526 ARPA: liang@cvl, eli@mit-mc, eli@mit-prep CSNET: liang@cvl UUCP: {seismo,rlgvax,allegra,brl-bmd,nrl-css}!umcp-cs!cvl!liang
zben@umd5.UUCP (03/04/85)
In article <122@cvl.UUCP> liang@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) writes: >In article <766@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) [Hi Phil!] writes: >> Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where >> they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment >> to do anything, I would like to inquire as to whether there would >> be any interest in being able to ask applications questions to >> our engineers via email or whether the old fashioned way of telephone >> calls is good enough. > >maybe instead of a netwide newsgroup, you might be looking more at a netwide >mailing list. > I think Phil is only talking about posting mail addresses, certainly not a new newsgroup for these discussions. Look, I play with chips, but I'm never ever going to buy any more than ten or twenty of anything. I would love to be able to contact your aps engineers, but don't you need to concentrate on professionals, as opposed to amateurs? See what responses you get, then follow your conscience... -- Ben Cranston ...seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!umd5!zben zben@umd2.ARPA
crs@lanl.ARPA (03/04/85)
> Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where > they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment > to do anything, I would like to inquire as to whether there would > be any interest in being able to ask applications questions to > our engineers via email or whether the old fashioned way of telephone > calls is good enough. I am sure that many (most) of the users of > USENET are software types but there are enough hardware types to > justify groups like net.analog. > > I had in mind publishing a list of chips and the mboxes of the engineers > responsible for supporting them. Send mail to me indicating: > 1) whether you'd use this > 2) how do you get applications assistance now > 3) what chips you're interested in > 4) estimate of the annual dollar value of AMD chips you buy now > (personally I don't care but I think management does) > 5) general comments > > If you consider this an exploitation of the net, don't flame me, > just let me know. We certainly don't want to offend anybody, just > possibly offer a service of value to people. > -- > Why, that's more useless than the left thumb of a touch typist! > > Phil Ngai (408) 749-5720 > UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil > ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA I think it would be a convenience rather than "exploitation." I have wondered why this wasn't common practice. Your comment about "exploitation" may explain it but not to my satisfaction. If e-mail availability to someone who can help me get my job done more quickly is exploitation of the net, then I say we should have more of it. Consider the following: 1. Some people (including me) are better at explaining what they need to know in writing than via the telephone but writing a letter through normal "channels" is slow and costly. 2. If I do phone someone, they may be out, on another line, or their phone may be busy. I therefore must wait an appropriate time and then try again. If I send my query by e-mail, it waits for them. When they finish what they are doing now, they can then reply to *my* query. I don't have to do anything else (in the ideal). 3. E-mail is non-intrusive. It won't interrupt something important that the recipient is doing so it is better on that end too. I don't think that e-mail should *replace* the telephone as a means of such communication but I *do* think it can be a valuable supplement to it. I would like to have e-mail access to other semi-conductor houses, too. If others think that this is "exploitation" *I* would appreciate it if companies would e-mail path information to *me*. Charlie Sorsby ...!{cmcl2 ihnp4}!lanl!crs crs@lanl.arpa
phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (03/07/85)
> maybe instead of a netwide newsgroup, you might be looking more at a netwide > mailing list. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eli Liang --- > University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526 > ARPA: liang@cvl, eli@mit-mc, eli@mit-prep CSNET: liang@cvl > UUCP: {seismo,rlgvax,allegra,brl-bmd,nrl-css}!umcp-cs!cvl!liang There seems to be some misunderstanding about what I was proposing so I'd like to expand on it. I am not proposing a newsgroup or even a mailing list. I am exploring the interest in publishing, maybe once a quarter or so, a list of applications engineers and their electronic mailboxes. We would encourage sites to get direct uucp links to "amd" so that we would not rely on our neighbors forwarding such correspondence. It is not clear how the list would be distributed. Perhaps in net.micro, perhaps as a mailing list mentioned in mod.newlists. Perhaps the list would only be known by word of mouth. All this is to be worked out depending on the responses received. -- Why, that's more useless than the left thumb of a touch typist! Phil Ngai (408) 749-5720 UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil ARPA: amdcad!phil@decwrl.ARPA
woof@psivax.UUCP (Harold Schloss) (03/08/85)
In article <766@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) writes: >Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where >they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment >to do anything, I would like to inquire as to whether there would >be any interest in being able to ask applications questions to >our engineers via email or whether the old fashioned way of telephone >calls is good enough. I am sure that many (most) of the users of >USENET are software types but there are enough hardware types to >justify groups like net.analog. Well I am mostly a software type, and I must admit that I don't use AMD parts in the systems I am working. I do use other manufacturer's parts though. Mostly Intel's. While I am a software type, much of what I do is low-level software that depends on really knowing the chips well. (Self-test, device drivers, etc.) So I think it would be a great idea if other manufacturers offerred the same service AMD seems to be offerring. Obviously I would be mostly interested in Intel types of problems, but I am sure that there are many others out there who would benefit from this kind of service from the other chip manufacturers on the net. So count me as interested in this kind of service, but from Intel and not AMD. (I am afraid we are not in a position to switch.) -- Hal Schloss (from the Software Lounge at) Pacesetter Systems Inc. {trwrb|allegra|burdvax|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|sdcsvax|aero|uscvax|ucla-cs| bmcg|sdccsu3|csun|orstcs|akgua|randvax}!sdcrdcf!psivax!woof or {ttdica|quad1|scgvaxd}!psivax!woof
larryme@tektronix.UUCP (Larry Meneghin ) (03/11/85)
O.K. there seems to be enough interest. If you're an apps. engr. and you want to have your customers reach you through email, post your address already.
ski@sal.UUCP (Staffan Kjellqvist) (03/25/85)
In article <359@psivax.UUCP> woof@psivax.UUCP (Harold Schloss) writes: >In article <766@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) writes: >>Most of AMD's apps engineers have accounts on Unix systems where >>they can receive electronic mail. Without making any commitment >>to do anything, I would............. I think it is a very good idea. All semiconductor companys shold follow up. We think it is good if we dont have to first explaine our problem for the local agent who dont know what we are talking about because we who uses the chips very soon comes much deeper into the cicuits than salesmen ever do. ski@sal (Staffan Kjellqvist)