[net.lang.st80] A real Smalltalk product announcement

rej@cornell.UUCP (08/09/84)

From: rej (Ralph Johnson)
The following announcement was taken from the August 6'th edition of
Electronics Week, and was probably taken from a Tektronix advertising
blurb.  Is this the "Magnolia" that I have heard mentioned?

	A $14,950 computer that runs the Smalltalk-80 programming language
	marks Tektronix' entrance into the artificial intelligence market.
	To hit the market early next year, the 4404 Artificial Intelligence
	System is designed to increase productivity in many areas of AI
	research and development, including expert systems, natural languages
	intelligent robotics, vision systems, automatic programming, and
	theorem proving.

	The standard 4404 is a desktop system built around a 10-Mz 68010
	processor with no wait states.  A hardware accelertor supports
	floating-point opertions.  The 1 megabyte of random-access memory
	provided can be doubled.  Page-on-demand memory management provides a
	large, 8-megabyte virtual memory address space tht permits users to
	develop complex programs without segmentation or overlays.  The mass
	storage system consists of a 20-megabyte Winchester disk drive, a
	5 1/4 floppy disk drive, and an optional streaming tape drive.

	The 4404's monochorme bit-mapped graphics display is refreshed at a
	60-Hz rte, noninterlaced.  The 640-by-480-pixel display acts a
	window into the 1,024-by-1,024-pixel display address space.  A
	mouse comes with the system.

	Optional programming languages - Lisp and Prolog - and networking
	capabilities will be available next spring.

This sounds like it might be a good Smalltalk engine, but I am surprised
at the emphasis placed on AI.  Do the people at Xerox use Smalltalk to do
AI?  Do they have a bunch of AI specific tools, or has Tektronix developed
them, or is this just usual advertising hype?  If the 4404 is really a good
AI machine, then one answer to the question of what Smalltalk is good for
is obvious.

Ralph Johnson

wm@tekchips.UUCP (Wm Leler) (08/10/84)

No, the 4404 is not a Magnolia, it's called a Pegasus, and
it runs Smalltalk even faster than a Magnolia.  I could
get one of the Pegasus people to answer your question
as to why it is being marketed as an AI machine, but
they're all off at the AAAI conference in Austin having
a wonderful time (get it?).

Wm Leler
tektronix!tekchips!wm

steveg@hammer.UUCP (Steve Glaser) (08/11/84)

No, the 4404 is not a Magnolia.  The internal code name for the 4404
was/is Pegasus.  Much of the 4404/Pegasus product was based on work
done in the Magnolia environment, but they are not the same machine.

Magnolia is an in-house research machine only.  It was designed for
flexibility and was able to ignore lots of minor issues like UL
listing, the new FCC EMI rules, manufacturability, cost effectiveness,
etc.  Real products, can't afford to ignore these issues.

No, I'm not part of the Pegasus team, but I was involved in some of the
early Magnolia work.

	Steve Glaser, tektronix!steveg

darrelj@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Darrel VanBuer) (08/17/84)

The Tektronics announcement is actually for Pegasus, a successor to the
internal Magnolia machine.  Reportly, the only faster Smalltalk machine is
the ($120k) Xerox Dorado, and has the advantage of a large pointer size.

Smalltalk and Lisp have a number of common features making them both
suitable for AI work.  High among these features are flexible data
structuring tools, an automatic garbage collector, and powerful interactive
debugging tools.  Also, both have been thoroughly integrated into a
multiwindowing, graphic environment (not all lisps of course).

The most outstanding feature of the Pagasus is it's price.  The next lowest
price for a comparable environment is a $26,000 for a Xerox Dandelion
(with Interlisp-D and a real 1024x808 screen).  Machines like Suns aren't
really in this league (yet) because most of the windowing features are just
grafted onto the edges of unix (there isn't a moused-based editor, for
example).

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