[can.politics] Feeding of Old Politicians, and provincial legislatures

msb@lsuc.UUCP (03/20/85)

manis@ubc-cs.UUCP (Vince Manis) writes:
> I suggest a tricameral setup: a House of Commons (where the actual power 
> resides); a House of Provinces (elected representatives of each province,
> a la the US Senate); and a House of Patronage, where the hacks go.

Amusing idea, especially if you went to university at Waterloo, where
"hack" means what other places call "hacker".  I could go for THAT!
We'd have legislation that worked even though nobody could understand it... :-)

I think most people in the more populous provinces feel that any US Senate
type scheme would be pretty silly.  How can we have a fair representative
government unless the representation is by population?  The present situation
in the Commons, where PEI and the territories have 7 seats instead of 2,
is silly enough, but usually doesn't have much effect.  I don't see why
the Atlantic provinces should get disproportionately many seats in any
house just because they never decided to go for efficiency-of-scale
and become one province.

Please don't attribute all of this feeling to the fact that I live
in Ontario now.  In my personal feelings, I really don't care about provinces
at all, and Toronto means much more to me than Ontario.  What I want
is a unicameral elected government -- with representation by population.

(To digress, there have been a couple of proposals for second houses that
I like.  One is a second house based on occupations.  So if there are
70,000 programmers and 7,000,000 housespouses in Canada [to pull numbers
out of a hat], maybe we have 1 programmer member and 100 housewife members.
Another alternative, becoming more practical nowadays, is to make the
public at large the second house -- Parliament proposes bills but the
electorate must ratify them.  Then we'd really get what we deserve!)

Finally, because it's vaguely relevant, I throw in some statistics I
collected recently on the number of members of the Commons and of the
provincial/territorial legislatures...MPs and, to use Ontario style, MPPs.
I also give the number of Senators from each province; my source for these
is from 1976, but I don't think the numbers have changed.
The populations given for the different provinces are 1983 estimates,
thus more recent than the latest redistributions.

Notice how the Pop/MPP rises as the population falls!
(Pop/MP, of course, is fairly constant -- until you get to the last 3 lines)

PROVINCE	#MPs	#MPPs	#Sen's	Population	Pop/MP	Pop/MPP	Pop/Sen

Ontario		95	125     24	8,880,100	93,475	71,041	370,004
Quebec		75	122     24	6,514,600	86,861	53,398	271,442

British Columb.	28	57	6	2,818,000      100,643	49,439	469,667
Alberta		21	79	6	2,345,400      111,686	29,689	390,900
Manitoba	14	57	6	1,044,600	74,614	18,326	174,100
Saskatchewan	14	64	6	  990,700	70,464	15,480	165,117

Nova Scotia	11	52     10	  858,300	78,027	16,506	 85,830
New Brunswick	10	58     10	  705,200	70,520	12,159	 70,520
Newfoundland	 7	52	6	  576,200	82,314	11,081	 96,033
P. E. I.	 4	32	4	  124,200	31,050	 3,881	 31,050

N. W. Terr.	 2	24	0	   48,400	24,200	 2,017	 no rep
Yukon Terr.	 1	16	0	   22,300	22,300	 1,394	 no rep

Mark Brader