[net.books] Joyce

tfl@security.UUCP (Tom Litant) (06/17/83)

I find it difficult to compare Joyce with anyone else.  However, I can give
you some info that will either scare you off Joyce, or make reading him a more
enjoyable experience.
Joyce was a very "technique oriented" writer.  What I mean by this is that his
books have a very definite structure and content based on literary, mythic,
and religious allusions.  If I were to rank his writings in terms of
difficulty, it would go this way:

   Portrait of the Artist
   Dubliners
   Ulysses
   Finigan's Wake

For each of the above, however, I suggest that you buy a book of lit crit, and
read it in conjunction with the corresponding Joyce book.  We simply do not
have the requisite classical education these days to be able to catch all of
the allegory.  In addition, it helps to get a copy of the record of Joyce
reading Finigan's Wake, since this book is written in dialect (Irish).
Allegory and lit crit bullsh*t asside, Joyce has a terrific command of the
english language and dialect, paints glorious pictures of Ireland (have to go
there sometime), and is well worth the effort to read.


		    "Mulligan stew for Bloom..."
	     (grace slick from AFTER BATHING AT BAXTERS's)

don@allegra.UUCP (D. Mitchell) (08/16/84)

Karl:  I was talking about W.S. Burroughs, not E.R.

Have many people tried reading Joyce?  "Portrait of an Artist..." is a
great book, and not at all difficult to read.  It traces the life of
its main character from about age 4 to his early twenties.  What is
really interesting about this book is the stream of consciousness
style.  The world is viewed thru the eyes of the main character as he
develops.  It starts out with him listening to stories about Moo Cows,
goes thru the pain of adolescence and finally into the age of reason.

"Ulysses" is more formidable.  I have started it once and stopped about
100 pages into it.  I think my attention span is long enough now that I
plan to read it in the near future.  The most famous part of this book
(which I have skipped to and read) is the soliloquy at the end; one of
the greatest masterpieces of stream of consciousness style:

   Yes because he never did a things like that before as ask to get his
   breakfast in bed with a couple of eggs since the City Arms hotel when
   he used to be pretending to be laid up with a sick voice doing his
   highness to make himself interesting to that old faggot Mrs Riordan
   that he thought he had a great leg of and she never left us a farthing
   all for masses for herself and her soul greatest miser ever was
   actually afraid to lay out 4d for her methylated spirit telling me all
   her ailments she had too much old chat in her about politics and
   earthquakes and the end of the world let us have a bit of fun first God
   help the world if all the women were her sort down on bathing suits and
   lownecks of course nobody wanted her to wear I suppose she was pious
   because no man would look at her twice I hope Ill never be like her a
   wonder she didnt want us to cover our faces but she was a welleducated
   woman certainly and her gabby talk about Mr Riordan here and Mr Riordan
   there I suppose he was glad to get shut of her and her dog smelling my
   fur and always edging to get up under my petticoats especially then
   still I like that in him polite to old women like that and waiters and
   beggars...