[net.books] Pornography and/or erotica degrading women

crm@duke.UUCP (Charlie Martin) (01/11/85)

This is a reply to a number of articles, or an article suggested by a
number of articles, or something like that.  In any case, the topic is
(possible) degradation of women by erotica or pornography.

First of all, there was a response that suggested that erotica was OK
but pornography is not.  The problem is that both words seem to refer to
the same thing, or at least there is no testable way to differentiate
them.  In essense, this distinction seems to be "if I think it's OK,
then it must be erotica."

I would hate to have my reading material affected by someone applying
this rule.  What about a strongly gay examiner in San Francisco (yes I
know they are not all out in SF, but they have more political power
there)  who feels any depiction of heterosexual activity is disgusting?

The second point that seems to be important to the debate is the
question of whether or not pornography incites violence -- and so far as
I can see, the evidence is not AT ALL conclusive, and seems to be pretty
well evenly divided.  First of all, the US studies that have been made
have been methodologically suspect; small sample groups, selected from
already selected groups (mostly college students) and have not measured
actual increases in the potential for violence but have measured only
small increases in the willingness of these subjects to say that they
might be more likely to commit a violent act.  (I admit that I don't
know how to measure the "potential for violence", but I suspect that the
anti-porno people don't either.  It's their argument, not mine.)

However, studies in the countries in which pornography is acceptable
(for example in Denmark) have suggested the opposite effect -- that
there existed a co-incidence between availablity of pornography and a
DECREASE in the sexual-crime rate.  These were "epidemological" (I
apologize in advance for the spelling -- where's my Webster's?) studies
which measured actual increases or decreases in context.  These studies
use a larger universe and one which more closely approximates the actual
universe in question (even if Danes don't react as Americans would, they
are more likely to react like Americans in general than college sophmores 
are) and are for that reason more trustworthy.

In any case, if the violence against or degradation of a person or group
is to be the measure, then very little is safe.  GOR books would go
first, along with "pornography" -- and I agree with another opinion
expressed here: how DARE these people claim that they know what is
"degrading" better than the people participating? -- but Tom Sawyer has
already been found "racist," even though the book makes it clear that
Jim was a better person them most others.  It would be supressed soon.

The conclusion that I fell is compelled by the evidence, and by long
consideration, is this: no man (in the inclusive original sense, no
human being) has the wisdom to be able to describe a set of rules which
can be applied consistantly to a work of liturature that can conclude
whether or not it is "pornographic" or "degrading".  "vox populi" is NOT
"vox dei" -- only the voice of a few people who mostly echo things they
were told by someone else.  If the First Amendment has any meaning at
all, it means that the United States were formed in order to PROTECT the
few from the many, by insisting that even unpopular forms of self-expression
must be allowed their place in the market.  This right must be
protected, and the only way to protect it is to reject any attempt to
modify it "for the good of the many" or "because the Bible says so, and
the Bible is the Word of God."


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				Charlie Martin
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