[net.books] The Game's Afoot!

daemon@decwrl.UUCP (The devil himself) (01/31/85)

I am a big fan of Sherlock Holmes. I have quite a collection of books based
on The Canon but I am constantly checking the bookstores for more. Can anyone
point me at more titles featuring Holmes?

I have the following books in my library:

	The Pandora Plague - Lee A. Matthias
	The Giant Rat of Sumatra - Richard L. Boyer
	The Last Sherlock Holmes Story - Michael Dibdin
	Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Holmes - Loren D. Estleman
	Sherlock Holmes vs Dracula -   "     "
	Enter the Lion - Michael P. Hodel and Sean M. Wright
	The Seven-Per-Cent Solution - Nicholas Meyer
	The West End Horror -           "     "
	The Holmes-Dracula File - Fred Saberhagen
	Exit Sherlock Holmes - Robert Lee Hall
	Sherlock Holmes and the Golden Bird - Frank Thomas
	Sherlock Holmes and the Sacred Sword -  "    "
	Death by Gaslight - Michael Kurland
	The Return of Moriarty - John Gardner
	The Revenge of Moriarty -  "    "
	The Private Life of Dr. Watson - Michael Hardwick

	(The last three are not really "Holmes stories" but they do feature
	 The Great Detective and are based on "Holmes characters")

Thanks in advance for any help.

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djl@ptsfb.UUCP (Dave Lampe) (02/04/85)

> 
> I am a big fan of Sherlock Holmes. I have quite a collection of books based
> on The Canon but I am constantly checking the bookstores for more. Can anyone
> point me at more titles featuring Holmes?
> 
> I have the following books in my library:
> 
> 	The Pandora Plague - Lee A. Matthias
> 	The Giant Rat of Sumatra - Richard L. Boyer
> 	The Last Sherlock Holmes Story - Michael Dibdin
> 	Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Holmes - Loren D. Estleman
> 	Sherlock Holmes vs Dracula -   "     "
> 	Enter the Lion - Michael P. Hodel and Sean M. Wright
> 	The Seven-Per-Cent Solution - Nicholas Meyer
> 	The West End Horror -           "     "
> 	The Holmes-Dracula File - Fred Saberhagen
> 	Exit Sherlock Holmes - Robert Lee Hall
> 	Sherlock Holmes and the Golden Bird - Frank Thomas
> 	Sherlock Holmes and the Sacred Sword -  "    "
> 	Death by Gaslight - Michael Kurland
> 	The Return of Moriarty - John Gardner
> 	The Revenge of Moriarty -  "    "
> 	The Private Life of Dr. Watson - Michael Hardwick
> 
> 	(The last three are not really "Holmes stories" but they do feature
> 	 The Great Detective and are based on "Holmes characters")
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> -- Bill Lynch
>    USPS: Digital Equipment Corp / MKO1-2/H7
>          Continental Blvd, Merrimack, NH 03054
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> 
> "Department of Redundancy Department"


You asked for other books based on the Canon. The following are ones that
I have (with comments).

The Adventure of the Peerless Peer
Philip Jose Farmer
Dell paperback - 1974
	Sherlock and Tarzan join forces to defeat Von Bork in Africa.

The Memoirs of Schlock Holmes
Robert Fish
Bobbs-Merrill - 1974
	A hilarious parody of Holmes and Watson where all Holmes'
	deductions are as logical as in the Canon, and all wrong.

Sherlock Holmes in New York
D.R. Benson
Ballantine paperback - 1976

The Exploits of Sherlock Holmes
Adrian Conan Doyle; John Dickson Carr
Pocket Books - 1952
	Short stories by the son of Watson's literary agent and a good
	modern mystery writer.

The Adventures of Creighton Holmes
Ned Hubbell
Popular Library paperback - 1979
	The casebook of Sherlock's grandson.

The Infernal Device
Michael Kurland
Signet paperback - 1978
	Moriarty is the hero and must stop the Russians from sinking
	the Queen with a stolen submarine.

Copper Beeches
Arthur Lewis
Pocket Books - 1971
	Some of "The Sons of the Copper Beeches", a BSI club in Philidelphia
	set out to prove that the Master's methods will actually work.

The Earthquake Machine
Austin Mitchelson; Nicholas Utechin
Belmont paperback - 1976
	Sherlock must stop the Kaiser from getting the atomic bomb.

Hellbirds
Austin Mitchelson; Nicholas Utechin
Belmont paperback - 1976

Sherlock Holmes's War of the Worlds
Manly Wellman; Wade Wellman
Warner paperback - 1975
	H.G. Wells had only part of the story.

Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space
Isaac Asimov (editor)
Bluejay Books - 1984
	A collection of science fiction short stories based on the
	characters or the methods of the Canon.

The Martian Crown Jewels
Poul Anderson
 - 1958
	A short story in "A Treasury of Great Science Fiction", volume 1
	edited by Anthony Boucher.


I am sure that most of these are out of print and the only way to find them
is to haunt the used book stores. I would especially recommend the book
by Robert Fish for laughs and the book by Adrian Conan Doyle for straight
Canonical stories.


Dave Lampe @ Pacific Bell
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moriarty@fluke.UUCP (The Napoleon of Crime) (02/04/85)

Wow!  Someone with MORE Non-Doyle Holmes books that I!  I particularly
didn't know about The Pandora Plague and the other Gardner Moriarty book
(Hee hee hee).  The only other ones I can name are:

1)     The Earthquake Machine, by ? (write me if you want the author, I'll
have to search).  Not very good.

2)     A collection by Adrian Conan Doyle and someone else, which I haven't
seen in years.  Not bad -- they take some of the titles that Watson
mentions, but never recounts, in the Canon, and expand on it.

3) 	The Infernal Device, by Michael Kurland.  This is the first of the
Moriarty trilogy by Kurland, and it won him the an Edgar award for best new
talent the year it was published.  Like "Death by Gaslight", the following
volume, it recounts an adventure from an associate of Moriarty's, and is
*extremely* well done; both also features Holmes prominently.  It also puts
forward that while Moriarty was a rogue, he was not "evil" -- he plots
robberies to fund his scientific experiments, and while being a criminal, he
does not murder people -- and that Holmes has a fixation on implicating him
in everything.  A third chapter was promised, but I've never seen it (and
have been checking constantly with local bookstores); if anyone knows what
became of it, I'd love to find out.

Of those mentioned in the original column, I'd recommend "The Giant Rat of
Sumatra" as the best Doyle imitation (and a darn good story to boot), and
the Meyer and Kurland books also.

I might mention that y'all have Kurland to thank (or blame) for my unique
login name.

                                "He is the Napoleon of Crime, Watson..."

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steiner@topaz.ARPA (Dave Steiner) (02/07/85)

I'm also interested in Sherlock Holmes and was very interested to see 
you list of books since I am missing a number of them.  Here are a few
that I didn't see on your list:

   The Exploits of Sherlock Holmes - Adrian C. Doyle & John D. Carr
       (Very good and close to the originals.  Adrian is Arthur's son.)
   Sherlock Holmes: My Life and Crimes - Michael Hardwick
       (Just out in hc.  Seems to be a sort of autobiography by Holmes.)
   Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space - Ed. Asimov et al
       (Noted in an earlier posting.)
   Sherlock Holmes: The Published Apocrypha - Ed. Jack Tracy
       (Stories not in the canon by a number of people including Sir ACD.)
   The Truthful Lady - J. Storer Clouston
   The Adventure of the Purple Hand - "ed by" D. O. Smith
   The Adventure of the Unseen Traveller - "ed by" D. O. Smith

The last three were gotten from Magico Magazine.  The publish a number of
books and pamphlets about holmes.  There address is:
    Magico Magazine
    PO Box 156
    NY, NY  10002
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keesan@bbncca.ARPA (Morris M. Keesan) (02/08/85)

----------------------------

    Incidentally, the collection "Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space"
includes the story "A Scarletin Study", by "Jonathan Swift Somers III", which
is Philip Jose Farmer's sequel (sort of) to "Venus on the Half Shell" by
"Kilgore Trout".
  To review:  a few months ago, there were some queries in this newsgroup as to
whether Kilgore Trout had written anything since "Venus on the Half Shell".
The answer is that Kilgore Trout is a fictional character invented by Kurt
Vonnegut, appearing in some of Vonnegut's novels.  "Venus on the Half Shell"
was written by Philip Jose Farmer using "Kilgore Trout" as a pseudonym.  One
of the characters in "Venus on the Half Shell" is a writer named "Jonathan
Swift Somers III", who writes a series of detective stories about a dog
detective named "Ralph von Wau Wau".  "A Scarletin Study" is a  
"Ralph von Wau Wau" story by Farmer writing under the name of Somers III.

P.S.  Has anyone other than me noticed the blatant typo on the title page of
"Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space"?  I mentioned it to Blujay Books'
director of advertising, marketing, etc., and he said neither he nor anyone
else at Bluejay had noticed it.
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wombat@ccvaxa.UUCP (02/10/85)

/**** ccvaxa:net.books / keesan@bbncca /  5:09 pm  Feb  7, 1985 ****/
P.S.  Has anyone other than me noticed the blatant typo on the title page of
"Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space"?  I mentioned it to Blujay Books'
director of advertising, marketing, etc., and he said neither he nor anyone
else at Bluejay had noticed it.
/* ---------- */

Does Bluejay even have a decent proofreader? Every Bluejay book I've read
has been full of typos. Since they do a lot of reprints, the Bem suggested
that it wasn't their fault, that maybe they printed from the original
plates, but the more I see the more I tend to think they're just sloppy.

"When you are about to die, a wombat is better than no company at all."
				Roger Zelazney, *Doorways in the Sand*

						Wombat
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wombat@ccvaxa.UUCP (02/11/85)

Sherlock Holmes fans might be interested in getting Robert and Phyllis
Weinberg's monthly catalog. They specialize in horror, fantasy, SF, and
mystery, and the catalog usually has a page or so of Holmes material. This
month they list *Illustrious Client's Case Book*, *Illustrious Client's
Third Case Book*, *Sherlockian Atlas*, *The Making of Sherlock Holmes*,
*Sherlock and Porlock*, *Sherlock Holmes and Music*, *Decorated Mr. Holmes*,
*A Study in Surmise*, *Some Notes on a Meeting at Chisham*, *Sherlock Holmes
is Mr. Pickwick*, and *The Baker Street Gasogene* #1. Some of these are
reprints of rare items, some new scholarly studies; many are published by
Magico. In their most recent catalog, they say they've finally entered their
out-of-print list into the computer and will send it out to anyone sending
them a SASE. The address is

Weinberg Books
15154 Oxford Drive
Oak Forest, IL 60452

"When you are about to die, a wombat is better than no company at all."
				Roger Zelazney, *Doorways in the Sand*

						Wombat
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keesan@bbncca.ARPA (Morris M. Keesan) (02/20/85)

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>/**** ccvaxa:net.books / keesan@bbncca /  5:09 pm  Feb  7, 1985 ****/
>P.S.  Has anyone other than me noticed the blatant typo on the title page of
>"Sherlock Holmes Through Time and Space"?  I mentioned it to Blujay Books'
>director of advertising, marketing, etc., and he said neither he nor anyone
>else at Bluejay had noticed it.
>/* ---------- */
>
>Does Bluejay even have a decent proofreader? Every Bluejay book I've read
>has been full of typos. Since they do a lot of reprints, the Bem suggested
>that it wasn't their fault, that maybe they printed from the original
>plates, but the more I see the more I tend to think they're just sloppy.
>
>						 Wombat
>					 ihnp4!uiucdcs!ccvaxa!wombat

    I think it's not so much sloppiness, as the fact that Bluejay is still a
very small operation.  The above-mentioned director of advertising, etc. is
something like one third or one quarter of the entire full-time staff of
Bluejay.  This doesn't leave much staff available for proofreading.
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wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (02/21/85)

>     I think it's not so much sloppiness, as the fact that Bluejay is still a
> very small operation.  The above-mentioned director of advertising, etc. is
> something like one third or one quarter of the entire full-time staff of
> Bluejay.  This doesn't leave much staff available for proofreading.
> 			    Morris M. Keesan

The thing is, anybody who publishes anything interesting, or worth reading,
could get FREE proofreading! A publisher could collect a group of readers in
his locale who were interested in the stuff he publishes, and who would
read copies of "uncorrected proofs" for the sheer pleasure of reading the
material, and annotate those proofs with corrections and give them back.
They could be paid by giving them a copy of every book the publisher prints
(if it is a small house) or some other barter-type arrangement, if they
didn't feel they were adequately paid by the sheer opportunity of
reading new stuff before the rest of the world sees it. (A reprint house
would probably have to offer some sort of honorarium, like the free
books.)

After all, wouldn't YOU jump at this chance? I'm assuming the publisher
farms the proofs out among a large-enough group that you aren't expected
to put in a 40-hour week of proofreading, but maybe a book every two
weeks or so.

These proofreaders don't even have to know and use the standard
symbols (though they'd probably learn them quickly and use them);
a for-real proofreader could put in the real symbols very quickly
if someone has already found and flagged error locations for them.

I would think such arrangements would already exist. Why not?

Will Martin

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steiner@topaz.ARPA (Dave Steiner) (02/22/85)

I recently was wandering around used mystery book store up in Boston and
found a book called

	The Case of the Philosopher's Ring by Collins Randall

which is about Holmes and a bunch of philosophers up at Oxford.  Looks
interesting and seems to be in the vain of "The 7% Solution" and "Sherlock
Holmes Vs. Dracula".

ds
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berry@zinfandel.UUCP (Berry Kercheval) (02/25/85)

Fans of both Holmes and SF should check out HER MAJESTIES BUCKETEERS, which
is sort of a SF-Holmes pastich, but set in not-Victorian not-England not-on-
Earth with not-Human's in all roles.  The holmesian nature of the story is
not overtly stated, but is hard to miss.  Moriarty with six arms is rather
interesting....

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chabot@miles.DEC (L. S. Chabot) (02/25/85)

I find doubt in the viability of Will Martin's proposal.

In my limited experience with trying to obtain quality work from people, I have
realized that the best way to encourage responsibility is to relate the job to
the stomach of the employee: er, what I mean is, to get people to do work, you
pay them.  What good is giving people copies of the book, if they can merely
keep the proof and not finish the proofing of the book?  Or, how many people
who are willing to read the latest in their favorite genre really want to keep
all of it?  The reward here doesn't seem big enough to convince enough people
to do the work.

Also, proof-reading requires some competence.  You have to know what to look
for.  It's not going to save a lot of time if you still have to have a 
proof-reader reread the entire manuscript to 1) translate the markings of the
untrained into standard markings and 2) find the things the volunteer missed.

And then there's the logistics of tracking who's got which manuscripts and when
are they going to turn them in.  Plus, if you've got more than one on a 
manuscript, then the real proofreader will have to check multiple copies of the
books.

L S Chabot
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crm@duke.UUCP (Charlie Martin) (02/26/85)

The real problem with this proof-reading for free idea is that doing a
decent job of proofreading is NOTHING LIKE getting to read the book for
fun.  It's more like the Chinese Water Torture.

-- 
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				Charlie Martin
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laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) (02/27/85)

We tried this (have people proof them) for radio scripts. The idea was
to get out anything vaguely slanderous and to correct awkward
sentence structure. We noticed several things.

The people we paid did a better job than the people we didn't pay.
The people we started out not paying and later paid did a better job
after we paid them.
Enough slander went out the airways anyway that things were always warm.
Every 3 or 4 months we would get someone who released our shows to
people we didn't want to see them (in particular, the people we were
satirising), seemingly just for the hell of it. And if you think that
``warm'' was bad, you should see what happens when a high ranking MP
gets the not-boulderdised version...
People didn't return scripts on time.
People lost scripts.
People spilt coffee on scripts.
People lent their scripts to other people and then
	a) couldn't remember who
	b) couldn't get in touch with them
	c) got in touch with them and foud that they
		a') had lent it to other people
		b') had disposed of it ....

It is a wonderful idea, but the logistics are real hard -- and most
small publishing companies have such logistic problems anyway...

Still, for all those hassles -- *boy* *was* *it* *fun*....

Laura Creighton
utzoo!laura

muffy@lll-crg.ARPA (Muffy Barkocy) (02/28/85)

> Fans of both Holmes and SF should check out HER MAJESTIES BUCKETEERS, which
> is sort of a SF-Holmes pastich, but set in not-Victorian not-England not-on-
> Earth with not-Human's in all roles.  The holmesian nature of the story is
> not overtly stated, but is hard to miss.  Moriarty with six arms is rather
> interesting....
> 
> -- 
> La musique est une science 
> qui veut qu`on rit et chante et dance.
> 	-- Guillaume de Machaut
> 
> Berry Kercheval		Zehntel Inc.	(ihnp4!zehntel!zinfandel!berry)
> (415)932-6900				(kerch@lll-tis.ARPA)

"THEIR MAJESTIES' BUCKETEERS."  Recommendation seconded, as well as
any other books by L. Neil Smith, author of TMB.  Correction here, *three*
arms, segmented into nine limbs (or is it the other way around?)...anyway,
everything is in powers of three, not multiples.

					Muffy

wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (05/20/85)

Just ran across another Holmes-related book for you completionists
out there -- this one hasn't been mentioned in the lists that circulated
on the net a while ago, and it is, shall we say, "different":

TROUBLE IN BUGLAND, A Collection of Inspector Mantis Mysteries, by
William Kotzwinkle, profusely illustrated [sic] by Joe Servello.
(1983, David R. Godine, Publisher, Boston, ISBN 0-87923-472-5)

On the copyright page, what might be a quote from some sort of card-catalog
entry:

Summary: A quick-witted insect sleuth, patterned after Sherlock Holmes,
displays his brilliant powers of deduction in solving five mysteries.

Now, you'd assume, from the subject, that this is a juvenile. However, the 
St. Louis Public Library has this shelved with the regular adult
mysteries, and, though the print is farily large, it doesn't appear to
be a children's book. The illustrations are quite good; all these insects
in Victorian clothing and surroundings. The "Watson" character is a
Dr. Hopper, who seems to indulge in cookery quite a bit [I don't recall
if Watson ever cooked anything in the original stories -- Mrs. Hudson
did all that, as far as I recall -- or did he ever display culinary
talents?].

The wife and I found this to be a rather charming and amusing book. I
recommend that any Holmesians out there, who are not deadly serious
about the Canon and the Great Detective, take a look at this.

Regards,
Will Martin

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