pesv@enea.UUCP (Peter Svensson) (03/24/86)
Forgive me if I am posting this to newsgroups where it may seem it does not belong. However, I feel that the above three newsgroups are the ones most likely to be read by the kind of people who can help me in my search. I am, to begin with, searching for a book named:'Principia Discordia' by a certain Gregory Hill a.k.a. Malaclypse the younger. If anyone out there in netland knows from where I can purchase it, or atleast which company prints it, I would be happy to be sharing this information. Secondly, I would like to, if possible, come into contact with Mr. Hill himself. He is supposedly some kind of computer-expert in Frisco. If this is true, some netlander might know him, and if THAT is true, I'd be happy if someone could tell him I'm looking for him. Thank you very much in advance/ Peter Svenson (Turbo) ...!enea!pesv
wjr@frog.UUCP (04/17/86)
In article <2514@bbncc5.UUCP> alatto@bbncc5.UUCP (Andrew Latto) writes: >In article <1256@enea.UUCP> pesv@enea.UUCP (Peter Svensson) writes: >> >> I am, to begin with, searching for a book named:'Principia Discordia' by a >> certain Gregory Hill a.k.a. Malaclypse the younger. >> > I believe that this book doesn't exist. It is mentioned in the >Illuminati trilogy, by Robert Anton Wilson and Shea, and probably >reappears, along with other fragments of the Illuminatus Conspiracy, >in other works of Wilson. The quotations you find from the Principia in >these books are the only parts that really exist. Wilson would probably >deny all this, but he likes to pretend that large parts of what he >makes up are true. fnord Firstly, 'Principia Discordia' does exist independantly of 'Illuminatus'. I first saw a copy of it in 1969, several years before 'Illuminatus' was published. However, it is not suprising that references to it appear in 'Illuminatus' because the Discordian Society was founded in the mid '60s by Gregory Hill, Kerry Thornley(sp?) and Robert Anton Wilson. As to where to find a copy I don't know, but you might try checking occult/newage type bookstores. Secondly, about 'Illuminatus' in general. It would be a mistake to assume, as Andrew apparently does, that just because an obscure book or organization is mentioned in 'Illuminatus' it's a fiction created for the book. In fact most of the books are real, and many of the organizations mentioned are real to the degree that their names have been used independantly of 'Illuminatus'. For example, I remember seeing a leaflet from the John Dillinger Died for You Society before the publication of the book. This is not to say that all of the organizations mentioned are real or that any of them have the forms and purposes attributed to them in 'Illuminatus'. In summary, Wilson and Shea seem to have inserted a number of verifiable facts into the book in a deliberate attempt to confuse the readers and leave them wondering if it really is a work of fiction after all. As they say in one of the appendices: (approximate quote) "This book is in fact part of the only real conspiracy it describes, i.e. Operation Mindfuck, but by now it is too late." ---- William J. Richard @ Charles River Data Systems 983 Concord St. Framingham, MA 01701 Tel: (617) 626-1112 uucp: ...!decvax!frog!wjr
streeter@ingr.UUCP (04/22/86)
> In article <2740@sdcrdcf.UUCP> faigin@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Daniel P Faigin) writes: > >In article <2514@bbncc5.UUCP> alatto@bbncc5.UUCP (Andrew Latto) writes: > >>In article <1256@enea.UUCP> pesv@enea.UUCP (Peter Svensson) writes: > >>> ... searching for a book named:'Principia Discordia'... > >> I believe that this book doesn't exist. It is mentioned in the > >>Illuminati trilogy... > > > >It probably does exist, but THEY just don't want YOU to find it. > > > >It is a conspiracy, after all :-). > > > > The book does in fact exist, I have read a copy of it and have been > trying to find it agaiin to post the information asked for above. > > Jim Clausing The 'Principia Discordia, or How I Found Goddess and What I Did to Her When I Found her, in Which is Discussed..." is a pamphlet about ten pages long which went through several revisions. It was published by Malaclypse the Younger and others in what was (is) called the Erisian movement (a non-prohpet organization). If I didn't know better (and I do) I would think it was all tounge-in-cheek. It is called the 'magnum opiate' of Malaclypse the Younger, KSC. It contains a quote from the Book of Uterus 1:5, "Be ye not lost in order in the region of Thud". It contains the classification of Saints (five-star is the best). I never met M the Y (that I know of), but I know enough to find him if I wanted to (and that I don't want to). Robert Anton Wilson was one of the founders of the group, and I think he was Malaclypse the Elder, but I'm not sure. Ho Chi Zen is, as far as I know still quite clinically insane, but that's not his fault.