[net.religion] What would you rather believe?

donn (02/13/83)

References: floyd.1174

I for one would not discount the views represented in your list of
alternatives to belief in the Christian god.  I have had the benefit of
seeing other belief systems first-hand in other countries, and of
studying them in my anthropology courses, and many of them seem like
very interesting and worthwhile alternatives to Christian tradition.
For example, the notion of universal consciousness or universal
divinity is common to many faiths; there are many ways to practice a
religion with this characteristic, including (besides simple animism)
Taoism and Javanese religion.  The "gods" of such a religion are not
omnipotent and hence it may be necessary to render respect to more than
one, but they are not usually regarded as throwers of lightning bolts.
Every human being has the potential to become divine, in these
religions, so they teach that one should behave in this life in such a
way as to deserve respect in the next; and later in return for this
respect you should bestow such favors as you are able.

Other systems permit the belief in "true" divinity, that is to say, the
omnipotent kind.  The three main branches of Hinduism each have an
omnipotent god (Visnu, Siva or Prajnapati (?-my memory fails me)) whose
power and deeds are reflected in the behavior of lesser deities and
(mortal?) avatars.  As I understand it all deities are really
variations on the theme of the one god, and hence the system parallels
Judaism, Christianity and Islam in some ways.  These latter three have
demons and angels instead of minor gods, and prophets rather than
avatars, but they amount to the same thing.  There are also
"charismatic" varieties of Hinduism just like Christian kind (or the
Muslim kind, for that matter).  No religion has a patent on such
practices.

I guess I want to say that you shouldn't knock it if you haven't tried
it.  And if you are choosing your religion on the basis of aesthetics
then you should be prepared to accept that others may have different
tastes.  If you chose your religion from the fear of being damned to
hell for all eternity then none of this should matter to you and there
isn't any sense in discussing it.

And here I thought I'd never read this junk -- now I'm actually writing it!

Donn Seeley  UCSD Chemistry Dept. RRCF  ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdchema!donn

jfw (02/17/83)

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Would you rather :

	- Be an atheist and believe that men created god and be satisfied
	  with it.

	- Worship many gods including one's ancestors, so that each god
	  will take care of different things in your life.  Besides its
	  fun to decide which god to pray to and which to give what
	  ...

	- Figure out your own religion, take up followers and make a
	  good living.

OR WOULD YOU RATHER BELIEVE:

	* There is only ONE God and all others are demons.
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1)  I submit that proseletyzing over the net is a waste of time.
2)  I submit that your trivialization of other's seriously held beliefs
	is deeply insulting and has no place here.  Indeed, it makes me
	want to give up being a Christian and take up Cthuluism.

I would rather believe that it is possible for people to discuss
religion without denigrating each other's beliefs.

You said,
			``Oh, but I don't have a brain ...''

Yeah, I noticed.

3)  I refuse, out of my own respect for those on the net who believe in
	Christianity, the intellectual exercise of reducing Christianity
	to a set of statements as foolish as your first set.  And thanks
	to mindless cretins like you, it would be frighteningly easy.
	Now, where are those texts on the Medieval Era...