jeffma (04/19/83)
Suppose I make the following statement for the purpose of argument: I do not have any reason to believe the Christian (substitute Jewish, Islamic, etc.) conception of a "God" is correct. Why should I believe it? This type of position has been presented on the net in various disguised forms; the question of evil, attempts to illustrate internal contradictions, and so on. One of the first observations that must be made about the above statement is that I AM NOT criticizing "God," I am criticizing what Christians say about "God." Let's use an example which has less emotional significance for readers: Suppose somebody tells me that "munchkins" are breaking into peoples' refrigerators at night (including mine) and eating their food. I, for one, would respond by saying I don't believe him. Can it be said that I'm criticizing "munchkins?" Of course not. I'm criticizing what somebody said about "munchkins." I might elaborate by saying that I don't believe him because an "elf" told me that "munchkins" don't exist, I might say that my own observations fail to establish his statements (I've never seen one, except in a movie, and I've never been unable to account for food missing from my refrigerator), or I might say nothing at all. The statement he made does not constitute even the weakest reason to believe him; the ball is still in his court. Now, suppose our intrepid munchkin-promoter proceeds to flesh out his scenario by countering one of my potential objections: "Aha! But munchkins are a clever lot; they're completely invisible to those who don't believe in them (sometimes even for believers), and they never eat non-believers' food without replacing it with identical substitutes. Also, if you try to stay up and watch, or set up traps or equipment to detect their presence, they'll just go somewhere else. So there!" Has he succeeded in building a compelling case for ice-box raiding dwarves, and in the process forced me to give in to the validity of his story? By no means. On the contrary; I have been given no more reasons to believe him at all. He has merely built a scenario which is not investigatable by a non-believer. If I'm forced to believe in his proposition before I can gain evidence for it, I'm still being asked to believe without evidence. If anything, he has made it even harder for me to "come around" to his beliefs, because, not only has he closed any channels the unbeliever has for investigating the phenomenon, he has made his story "internally consistent" by asking me to believe EVEN MORE without evidence. Not only must I believe in "munchkins" who steal my food, but also in their invisibility, their ability to get "duplicate food," and their ability to detect any sort of trick. Why should I adopt his belief, if I have neither evidence for it, nor a shortcoming in my present belief-structure which will be efficiently relieved by the new belief (Occam's Razor)? What difference does it make if he dangles a carrot in front of me by saying "Gee, if you believe in those little guys hard enough, you'll really see 'em!" I have no doubts about that: once I've determined, arbitrarily, that those "little guys" DO exist (I'm not just talking about SAYING IT; we're talking hardcore belief here...) it would be quite easy to convince myself that I've "seen 'em." After all, they probably look quite different to different people, and to me they may look like cockroaches. Take the issue of God's "goodness" versus the evil in the world. If the Christian is not only asking me to believe in a "good" God, but also in the concept that God's motives and actions are not accessible to the feeble human who trusts his mere senses and reason (but, of course, there's a chance that you'll "see the light" if you become a Christian), he has done absolutely nothing to verify the validity of his beliefs to me. Even if I were to concede that Christianity can be forced to be internally consistent, it would be a mistake to assume that I'm accepting the Christian belief structure as valid. It is not particularly difficult to generate off-hand belief systems which are both internally consistent and totally ridiculous. It is, of course, highly unlikely that any devout Christian will ever be convinced that the beliefs he/she holds are inconsistent. There are far too many "invisible munchkins" built in, like God's "mysterious ways," the subjective validation by believers of divine intervention in their lives (rescued avalanche victim: "Thank God!" For what, causing the avalanche or rescuing her?), mystical experiences ("visions," prayer as a channel of communication with God), and so on. Once a deep religious belief is adopted, it causes you--by definition--to see things much differently than before. Obviously one of the primary reasons for the durability of Christianity or any other well-established religion is those built-in "invisible munchkins" which allow believers to shield themselves with arguments which are convincing to BELIEVERS, but totally inadequate to those who have yet to adopt their beliefs. If I tried to establish a religion based on a God who drops into Times Square on New Year's Eve and performs any and all miracles specified by the crowd, I would probably have a hard time maintaining a faithful "flock" for very long--unless I cleverly modified my religion such that the God will only come down "soon." One might think of this process as the "natural selection" or "survival adaptation" of religions and cults. This leads me to my main point: there is, to my knowledge, absolutely NO EVIDENCE FOR THE VALIDITY OF CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. In other words, there is no evidence which compels a reasoning individual to change from a non-Christian to a Christian (I am excluding "evidence" that the religion will provide relief from anxieties, which is readily available--if Christians can come up with nothing more compelling than this, and freely admit that they adopted their belief as a drug, then my point will be made). All of the material that I have seen bandied about on the net--appeals to the Bible, historical evidence for Jesus, miracles, evidence of "design," personal "experiences of God," "Pascal's Wager" (has this one been brought up?)--all represent types of evidence which rely on a PARTIAL PRE-ACCEPTANCE of the principles of the religion (petitio principii, or "begging the question"), or on other self-serving and unwarranted assumptions. This obviously does not mean that Christianity is "false," of course; I challenge you to "prove" the non-existence of my nocturnal refrigerator raiders. But that's not the point--I'm asking for evidence of the validity of Christian beliefs; not an explanation of how those beliefs can withstand the scrutiny of people trying to find them inconsistent. Internal consistency is only a NECESSARY condition for validity; not a SUFFICIENT condition. Thus it seems to me that a productive line of discussion on net.religion would be to discuss Christian (Jewish, etc.) motives for adopting their religions, and for Christians to present any reasons they can (remember: reasons accessible to non-believers) for the person who is not a Christian to become one. Surely there must be SOME sort of motives for taking the plunge to Christianity, folks. If you appeal to the Bible, though, you must first show me why I should believe the Bible is the "Word of God;" if you appeal to "miracles," you must first show how they provide evidence for the Christian conception of God; if you use "Pascal's Wager," you must first show me why I should assume that the adoption of Christianity can't harm me, and so on. Am I being unreasonable to expect a thoroughly explained (i.e. "good") reason? If so, tell me why. Since it is innate in their beliefs to seek converts, I think this would be an attractive topic to Christians. But if they want ME to become a Christian, they will have to provide me with reasons to believe their conceptions are "correct." It seems to me that their prior efforts in this area have been weak. In fact, the lack of evidence for the validity of Christianity (note that this is not merely an exercise in proving the existence of God) has even been capitalized upon by those who (like Kierkegaard) maintain that "Faith" must be maintained in the absence of evidence, and that the "True" Christian never asks for evidence (I assume he must also enter Christianity on these terms). I consider this subterfuge, however: it merely succeeds in making a virtue of ignorance. I refuse to turn off my brain unless I am first convinced that it's the right thing to do (which unfortunately means USING my brain). The failure to offer any reasons for assuming the Christian belief structure is typified by the simple appeal to "allow Jesus to come into your heart." Make a small (!) exception and let Him slip right on in there, without asking why. I do not doubt that my outlook would change if I adopt this religion, but will this outlook be a valid one? Will I be in a position to evaluate it after I accept it blindly? I think the answer is obvious. Am I doomed to "eternal damnation" because I refuse to make an unjustified leap? Waiting to be convinced.... Jeff Mayhew Tektronix