wex@ittvax.UUCP (Alan Wexelblat) (08/01/83)
I'm not normally one to but into another conversation, but this article was titled "logic." I have never seen a more misleading title here. Look at this "logic": From Hutch: Well, mARK, the fact is that God DID sacrifice His Son. Say what? What fact? Fact according to whom? I suggest you read my latest reply to Larry Bickford for a more complete thrashing. This was not a case of saying, "Son, just to make a more elegant creation, I am going to kill you now" The situation was more one of Jesus CHOOSING to die for that creation. Were you there? How the heck do you know Who said what to Whom :-)? Do you have the right to complain of the cruelty of the potter when, after he has made a batch of vases and fired them, that he should destroy the ones which cracked, or sagged in the kiln? In all seriousness, it disturbs me greatly to see you compare killing a person with destroying an inanimate object. There is just no comparison, even by anology, to be made here. Your callusness is sickening. How then can you fault God, who has made it possible for us cracked and saggy and highly imperfect (don't bore me by claiming to be perfect or even remotely close to it) creations, to become perfect? Oh, gee, an easy one: I can fault God for making us cracked, saggy, and highly imperfect in the first place! It seems to be a rather stupid, not to mention pointlessly cruel, game to say "Well, I've made you five feet tall. I could have made you six feet tall, but I didn't, so there. HOWEVER, since I'm such a nice guy, if you'll just lie on this rack here for the rest of your life, I guarantee you'll be six feet tall when you die." Or is it that you are so completely knowledgeable about the world and about what is right and wrong, that you can judge God to be wrong in His acts on the face of your own experience. (Heavyhanded sarcasm) (No sarcasm) You had better beleive it bub. When God made my mind, he gave me faculties for judging right and wrong. And I'm not going to sit here and listen to you tell me I can't use those faculties, just because He's God. That argument reminds me of Nixon claiming executive privelege. (Okay, so maybe a little sarcasm!) What I challenge in all this is your claim that even if you did believe in the Christian view of God, that you would turn from Him because you could not accept His actions. Would you similarly turn away from your views on natural history and evolution because of the massive cruelty inherent in the destruction of those thousands of species of dinosaur when the asteroid fell? One problem with many creationists is that they seem to have this view of "EVOLUTION" as a sort of semi-omniscient monster that goes around meddling with things. They say things like "Evolution doesn't care..." as though evolution and caring could \possibly/ be related. Evolution is the name of a theory of genetic change and species development. That's all. It's not the bogey man "comin` ta git ya!" Similarly, to speak of evolution and cruelty is equally meaningless. The terms simply have no semantic relationship to one another. And, although I can't speak for mARK's attitudes towards evolution, that comment about the meteor can have only one reply: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Alan Wexelblat decvax!ittvax!wex