[net.religion] Causality in the brain

wex@ittvax.UUCP (Alan Wexelblat) (08/24/83)

Larry, you're arguing against yourself:

You say that you beleive in the principle of taking the simplest possible
explanation, and then spend 40+ lines explaining a possible chemistry in
the brain (which, by the way, you've vastly oversimplified, if not outright
mis-represented.  Unfortunately, I don't have my texts handy).

My explanation, however, is much more simple:  All this chemistry you mention
can produce an *urge* to act.  However, since I am not compelled (in a 
causal sense) to act, I choose not to.  Period.  The concept of free will is
far simpler than the theory of causal brain chemistry (which is not to say
that "I'm right, and you're wrong," merely to say that you're arguing
against yourself).

--Alan Wexelblat
decvax!ittvax!wex

larry@grkermit.UUCP (Larry Kolodney) (08/25/83)

	Larry, you're arguing against yourself:

Oh, must be bad chemicals in my brain. :*).
	
	You say that you beleive in the principle of taking the simplest
	possible explanation, and then spend 40+ lines explaining a possible
	chemistry in the brain (which, by the way, you've vastly
	oversimplified, if not outright mis-represented.  Unfortunately, I
	don't have my texts handy).

If you want more detail on the Triune Brain Concept, I suggest reading
anything by Paul D. MacClean (sorry, I don't have any titles).  He is
the head of some brain research institute at NIH.  In the Psychology
book used at MIT, the Triune Brain Theory seems to be generally
accepted.
	
	My explanation, however, is much more simple:  All this chemistry you
	mention can produce an *urge* to act.  However, since I am not
	compelled (in a causal sense) to act, I choose not to.  Period.  The
	concept of free will is far simpler than the theory of causal brain
	chemistry (which is not to say that "I'm right, and you're wrong,"
	merely to say that you're arguing against yourself).

Your explaination is NOT more simple.  My explaination says that
chemistry we observe happening in the brain causes our actions.  You
say there is something else.  BUt you also have to explain what those
chemical reactions do, therefore your argument is more complex because
you've added in an extra factor without removing anything.
-- 
Larry Kolodney (The Devil's Advocate)
{linus decvax}!genrad!grkermit!larry
(ARPA)  rms.g.lkk@mit-ai

mark@utzoo.UUCP (mark bloore) (08/27/83)

from Alan Wexelblat:
	Larry, you're arguing against yourself:

	You say that you beleive in the principle of taking the simplest possible
	explanation, and then spend 40+ lines explaining a possible chemistry in
	the brain (which, by the way, you've vastly oversimplified, if not outright
	mis-represented.  Unfortunately, I don't have my texts handy).

	My explanation, however, is much more simple:  All this chemistry you mention
	can produce an *urge* to act.  However, since I am not compelled (in a 
	causal sense) to act, I choose not to.  Period.  The concept of free will is
	far simpler than the theory of causal brain chemistry (which is not to say
	that "I'm right, and you're wrong," merely to say that you're arguing
	against yourself).



in a similar manner, i can provide a much simpler explanation of keplers
laws than newton's:  the planets orbit the sun in ellipses not because of
some complicated force law, but simply because they do.  period.


a simple explanation is one that is complete and not unnecessarily 
complicated.  a simplistic explanation is one that is uncomplicated becuase
it is not complete.


				mARK bLOORE
				univ of toronto
				{allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!mark