[net.religion] Reformed Egyptian stuff and nonsense

jonw@tekmdp.UUCP (Jonathan White) (09/17/83)

Due to the volume of pro-Mormon articles, as well as the decreasing amount
of time that I have to devote to this, I am forced to let a lot stuff pass by
without comment.  The purpose of this article is to demonstrate that one must
take the pseudo-scholarly ramblings of Mormon apologists with several large
grains of salt.  For example, J.D. Jensen wrote an article that was supposed
to refute my statement:

   Incidentally, no one has ever been able to find even the slightest
   hint of this language called "reformed Egyptian."  All reputable
   linguists and Egyptologists who have examined the evidence put forth
   by the Mormons have rejected it as mythical.

In response, he quoted from the prolific Mormon apologist, Hugh Nibley:

   ...Nobody knew anything about reformed Egyptian then. The word Demotic had 
   not yet come into general use. Lacking that, "Reformed Egyptian" is as good 
   a term as any to describe that peculiar and remarkably abbreviated style of
   "cursive writing developed out of the Hieratic by systematic abbreviation
   from the 8th to the 4th centuries," which enjoyed the heyday of its
   international popularity in Lehi's own time.... that peculiar type of
   writing known as Meroitic a baffling and still largely undeciphered
   Egyptian script which developed out of the Demotic under circumstances
   remarkably paralleling the purported development of Nephite writing, has
   the most striking affinities to the characters of the so-called Anthon
   Transcript, which is thought to be Joseph Smith's own copying of a sample
   of the writing on the plates. The point is that there was such writing...

Hugh Nibley is neither an Egyptologist nor an archeologist, and should probably
not be involving himself in such matters.  I quote from the Tanners:

   On May 3, 1980, the church section of the Mormon-owned Deseret News
   announced an important find that further demonstrates that present church
   leaders have no gift to translate ancient documents and that Dr. Hugh Nibley
   is unqualified to deal objectively with the subject.  The important find is
   a paper that is supposed to contain "reformed Egyptian" characters copied
   by Joseph Smith from the gold plates...  As in the case of the "Book of
   Abraham" Papyri, this new discovery put the Mormon prophet in an embarrassing
   position.  Instead of using the "seer stone" to translate the characters,
   President Kimball examined them with a magnifying glass.  While Kimball
   offered no comments on the implications of this important discovery, 
   Dr. Hugh Nibley immediately proclaimed that the writing was similar to the
   Egyptian script known as Demotic.  He claimed, in fact, that "it's
   translatable"  (Herald [Provo, Utah], 1 May 1980).  Dr. Nibley obviously
   jumped the gun on this matter.  When the transcript was submitted to Klaus
   Baer, professor of Egyptology at the University of Chicago's Oriental
   Institute, he replied that it is "probably not Egyptian....I suspect that
   one would have about the same batting average in comparing this with
   Chinese or Japanese or other systems that arrange signs in columns" (letter
   dated May 10, 1980).

According to the Book of Mormon, "reformed Egyptian" was the universal language
throughout North and South America 1500 years ago.  However, the reformed 
Egyptian characters that Joseph Smith has preserved for us in the Anthon 
transcript do not match anything we have been able to find in the Western 
hemisphere.  The anti-Mormon writer M.T. Lamb expressed this problem very well:

   ...unfortunately for the claims of the Book of Mormon, we are able to learn
   precisely what kind of characters were used in Central America by its
   ancient inhabitants.  They have been preserved in imperishable marble.
   Engraven upon stone in such a way as to retain to the end of time a silent
   though solemn rebuke of the false and foolish pretensions of the author of
   this book.  (The Golden Bible, p. 259)

							Jon White
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