[net.religion] pesticide evolution

bees@drux3.UUCP (10/26/83)

There have been a few articles recently that say that insects
becoming immune to certain pesticides is an example of evolution.
It seems that this example is a far cry from the transition of
ape-caveman-man.  The fact that living organisms have the ability
to adapt, in certain ways, to their environment is not proof that
they have the ability to evolve major changes in form and function.
I have seen many "lines" of evolution illustrated by examples of
fossils, and leading to modern organisms.  I always wondered where
the fossils of the transitional creatures went.  You can find lots
of prehistoric monkeys, lots of cavemen, and lots of modern men,
but where are the fossils of the creatures that slowly evolved
from one step to another.

I am not discounting the possibility of evolution or something
similar.  I am saying that, in my opinion, the theory of evolution
requires as much faith as the theory of creation.

     Ray Davis     AT&T Information Systems Laboratories     Denver
     {ihnp4|hogpc}!druxy!bees                         (303)538-3991

ajs@hpfcla.UUCP (11/06/83)

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hpfcla!ajs    Nov  4 16:05:00 1983

Sigh...  The theory of  evolution  requires  HYPOTHESIS,  not FAITH.  In
this case the latest (best)  hypothesis is that evolution is punctuated,
so the odds of finding "smooth-slope" transition fossils are very small.

As Richard  Dawkins says, "The universe is populated by stable  things."
That goes for  species,  too.  If you look  around, you can find lots of
"isolated"  species  as well as  "similar"  species.  Either  way, it is
precisely  their  (stable)  differences  that lets us recognize  them as
different species.

I see creationists  creating a non-existent problem out of thin air:  If
a species  exists, it can't be  transitional,  since it is separate  (by
definition).  So, they  then ask,  where are the  transitional  fossils?
They are  guilty  of  splitting  hairs.  You can find a nice  series  of
transitional  horse fossils (each a separate species) from small mammals
to current  forms.  You can also find a very nice  series  from  apelike
creatures to modern man, if you don't ignore the  evidence, or insist on
too fine a resolution.

Dramatic,  successful  mutations -- those which have survival  value and
fork new,  distinguishable  species -- are probably quite rare, and when
they  do  appear,  they  obviously  spread  lightning-fast  compared  to
geologic  time.  The average  nature of the world is extreme  stability,
with distinguishable species that change little over human times.

-->  FLAME  ON:  Creationists  seem to know  what  they  WANT  and  will
rationalize  to any  lengths to support  their  world-view.  Scientists,
however, tend to generalize  from the observable  evidence,  even if the
conclusions  are painful (e.g., humans are very small drops of space and
time in a vast cosmos).  In my opinion,  creationists are blind to their
own wishful thinking and to the true scope of time and space.

Always willing to help my memes in the battle for survival,
Alan Silverstein

(meme: see "The Mind's I", article by Dawkins)

Pucc-H:aeq@CS-Mordred.UUCP (11/08/83)

        The theory of  evolution  requires  HYPOTHESIS,  not FAITH.

Too bad this isn't taught in the schools.  I remember numerous texts which
taught evolution as if it were an established fact, rather than the hypothesis
which it is.

-- Jeff Sargent/...pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq