david@ssc-vax.UUCP (David Norris) (12/20/83)
In response to Laura: > Did you know that you are verging on heresy here? In the 6th century, > such sentiments could have got you poisoned. You are not supposed to > say that "Jesus came to earth as a man", but rather that the Logos was > incarnated into the man Jesus. What you said seems to deny the > divinity of the 2nd person, hence the poisoning. I would probably get poisoned for much more than this. I think it was a sin for the Catholic church to sell writs (to those who could afford them) which forgave people of sins *before* they committed them. Maybe beheaded? If I am guilty of heresy, it is to a religion created by man, not to Christianity itself. (This idea continued later...) > Then Steve has had it. If you think that God created Jesus as a man > then the council of Nicea was for you, to combat your heresy, and it is > a good thing that Christians don't for the most part go about executing > heretics, because that belief would get you executed. Bad choice of words on my part; it would appear that I meant Jesus did not exist before He was born (which of course is contrary to Christianity). Maybe it would be better phrased as "Jesus came to earth as a man". Christ- ianity teached that Christ has always existed just as God has always existed. But that was not my point; I was pointing out that, if one believed Christ was the Son of God, it is probably a good idea to see what He had to say. > This is a fairly modern view of Christianity, and one which is more > "Protestant" than "Roman Catholic" and also one that was not prevalent > during the middle ages. Read Anselem (sp?) of Cantebury on Jesus. His > entire notion of Jesus is based on his notion of God which is based on > his notion of feudalism, the government of his time. (His notion of God > was also based on th Greek ideal of perfection, but the feudal aspect > is more predomininant in his writings.) I think not. Christ taught that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Christianity (the truth) does not change, but christianity (the religion) does. You have implied that the truth changes, when in actuality the religion changes. Now, Laura, I know how you will respond to this, given your correspondance to me. But now you have something to continue the discussion with (:-). -- David Norris -- uw-beaver!ssc-vax!david