[net.religion] Debate on net.religion

ccc@cwruecmp.UUCP (12/21/83)

	I have always found religious debate interesting because so many of
those who debate a religious subject argue without first considering the 
underlying assumptions of their religions.
	To have a religious belief you must start with the assumption that
the deity exists.  As far as I know it is currently impossible to prove this
assumption from outside a religion.  No experiment has yet been devised that
will provide reproducible data concerning the existence (or non-existence of
a deity).  Thus argument is pointless unless you try to get people to agree
that a religion is correct due to its great reliability in prediction and in
its records of past history (see articles by Dave Norris).  Unfortunately,
this is not a logically acceptable method.  Not many people currently believe
in the ancient Greek pantheon but historically supported stories do exist
(ref. TROY, HERACLES).  The parrallel in christianity would be the Flood, and
the miracles of Christ to take a modern religious example.
	Agreement on the existence of a deity though is not enough though.
Witness:Catholicism, Judaism, and Murphy.  I can make an argument based upon
the 'fact' that 2=1 but to do so is pointless to most people since to get 2=1
I had to violate the assumption that n/0 is undefined.  Thus we can argue
all we want about certain points and still get nowhere.  Example: If the Bible
is God's (and I use the term loosely) word then it is true that God created
mankind.  argue: evolution.  answer: you can't because to do so would violate
assumption one.
	This does not mean that religious debate is pointless it just limits
the scope to discussions of the contradictions in internal logic.

				Aydin Edguer
				decvax!cwruecmp!ccc
				"If man was meant to have a religion
				 he would never have needed one."