[net.religion] Gary Samuelson on Creationism and Evolution

jeffma@tekgvs.UUCP (Jeff Mayhew) (01/31/84)

     "But, speaking of "ad hominem polemics," what do you call accusing
     someone of "double-talk, mis-quotation, mis-representation, and
     outright fraud?"  Isn't it "ad hominem" to impugn someone's
     motives for asserting a given position?"

					Gary Samuelson

Sorry, Gary.  An ad hominem attack is one directed at the individual
making the statements, rather than at the statements.  Example:  "Nothing
he says can be trusted because he wears women's underwear."

Accusing someone of "double-talk, mis-quotation, mis-representation, and
outright fraud" are perfectly legitimate in an argument, so long as the
individual who is making the statement is willing to back up their
accusations.  If someone says something which is inaccurate or deliberately
distorted in a self-serving way, there is nothing wrong with my pointing
it out.  John Hobson followed up his statements with some legitimate
substantiations of his position.  I can provide other blatant examples of
mis-quotation as well.

     "Isn't it possible that Drs. Gish and Morris sincerely believe what
     they say they believe?  Or do you really think that they know that
     creationism is false, and are deliberately trying to 'undermine
     scientific facts and theories?'"

					Gary Samuelson

Yes, Gary, I believe Morris and Gish sincerely believe their misguided
drivel.  Let me give you some quotes by the "father of modern creationism,"
Henry Morris:

  "As we have repeatedly stressed in our book, the real issue is not the
  correctness of the interpretation of various details of the geological
  data, but simply what God has revealed in His Word concerning these
  matters." The Genesis Flood, p. xxvii

  "As we have tried repeatedly to stress in the book, our specific 
  discussions of individual geologic problems are tentative and subject
  to continuing re-evaluation with further study, but these problems 
  do not, and cannot be allowed to, raise questions concerning the basic
  framework of Biblical revelation within which they must be understood."
					The Genesis Flood, p. xxix

  "Our main concern, as honest exegetes of the Word of God, must not be
  to find ways of making the Biblical narratives conform to modern
  scientific theories.  Instead, our concern must be to discover exactly
  what God has said in the Scriptures, being fully aware of the fact that
  modern scientists, laboring under the handicap of non-Biblical presuppositions
  (such as materialism, organic evolution, and uniformitarianism), are in
  no position to give us an accurate reconstruction of the early history
  of the earth and its inhabitants."  The Genesis Flood, p. 62.
  
  "After all, any real knowledge of origins or of earth history antecedent
  to human historical records can only be obtained through divine revelation."
					The Genesis Flood, p. 213.

  "...the instructed Christian knows that the evidences for full divine
  inspiration of Scripture are far weightier than the evidences for any fact
  of science.  When confronted with the consistent Biblical testimony to a
  universal Flood, the believer must certainly accept it as unquestionably
  true."  The Genesis Flood, p. 118.

  "Other things being equal, a person should be able to do a better job in
  any course or at any task if he is a Christian than he could have before
  becoming a Christian, since he now has greater resources and higher
  motives than before."  The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 178.
  
  "If the scientific law of cause and effect means anything at all (and
  all scientists use it), then one must recognize that an intelligible
  universe suggests an Intelligence that caused the universe, and that
  individual personalities in the universe imply that their First Cause
  must be a Person."  The Troubled Waters of Evolution, pp. 104-105.

  "The idea of evolution is not merely a certain biological theory having
  to do with men and monkeys, but is a complete world view, a philosophy
  of life, the established religion of the state.  Its pervasive influence
  has penetrated every field of study and has provided the pseudo-scientific
  basis of communism, fascism, racism, animalism, and all the other deadly
  philosophies that trouble the world today."
			The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 24.

  "Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how
  did it originate in his mind?"  The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 75.
  
Sources are:

Morris, Henry M.  "The Troubled Waters of Evolution."  San Diego:
	Creation-Life Publishers, 1977.

Morris, Henry M., and John C. Whitcomb, Jr.  "The Genesis Flood:  The
	Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications."  Philadelphia:
	The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1961.

I think Morris means exactly what he says, and that's what concerns me
most.

					Jeff Mayhew