jeffma@tekgvs.UUCP (Jeff Mayhew) (01/31/84)
"But, speaking of "ad hominem polemics," what do you call accusing someone of "double-talk, mis-quotation, mis-representation, and outright fraud?" Isn't it "ad hominem" to impugn someone's motives for asserting a given position?" Gary Samuelson Sorry, Gary. An ad hominem attack is one directed at the individual making the statements, rather than at the statements. Example: "Nothing he says can be trusted because he wears women's underwear." Accusing someone of "double-talk, mis-quotation, mis-representation, and outright fraud" are perfectly legitimate in an argument, so long as the individual who is making the statement is willing to back up their accusations. If someone says something which is inaccurate or deliberately distorted in a self-serving way, there is nothing wrong with my pointing it out. John Hobson followed up his statements with some legitimate substantiations of his position. I can provide other blatant examples of mis-quotation as well. "Isn't it possible that Drs. Gish and Morris sincerely believe what they say they believe? Or do you really think that they know that creationism is false, and are deliberately trying to 'undermine scientific facts and theories?'" Gary Samuelson Yes, Gary, I believe Morris and Gish sincerely believe their misguided drivel. Let me give you some quotes by the "father of modern creationism," Henry Morris: "As we have repeatedly stressed in our book, the real issue is not the correctness of the interpretation of various details of the geological data, but simply what God has revealed in His Word concerning these matters." The Genesis Flood, p. xxvii "As we have tried repeatedly to stress in the book, our specific discussions of individual geologic problems are tentative and subject to continuing re-evaluation with further study, but these problems do not, and cannot be allowed to, raise questions concerning the basic framework of Biblical revelation within which they must be understood." The Genesis Flood, p. xxix "Our main concern, as honest exegetes of the Word of God, must not be to find ways of making the Biblical narratives conform to modern scientific theories. Instead, our concern must be to discover exactly what God has said in the Scriptures, being fully aware of the fact that modern scientists, laboring under the handicap of non-Biblical presuppositions (such as materialism, organic evolution, and uniformitarianism), are in no position to give us an accurate reconstruction of the early history of the earth and its inhabitants." The Genesis Flood, p. 62. "After all, any real knowledge of origins or of earth history antecedent to human historical records can only be obtained through divine revelation." The Genesis Flood, p. 213. "...the instructed Christian knows that the evidences for full divine inspiration of Scripture are far weightier than the evidences for any fact of science. When confronted with the consistent Biblical testimony to a universal Flood, the believer must certainly accept it as unquestionably true." The Genesis Flood, p. 118. "Other things being equal, a person should be able to do a better job in any course or at any task if he is a Christian than he could have before becoming a Christian, since he now has greater resources and higher motives than before." The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 178. "If the scientific law of cause and effect means anything at all (and all scientists use it), then one must recognize that an intelligible universe suggests an Intelligence that caused the universe, and that individual personalities in the universe imply that their First Cause must be a Person." The Troubled Waters of Evolution, pp. 104-105. "The idea of evolution is not merely a certain biological theory having to do with men and monkeys, but is a complete world view, a philosophy of life, the established religion of the state. Its pervasive influence has penetrated every field of study and has provided the pseudo-scientific basis of communism, fascism, racism, animalism, and all the other deadly philosophies that trouble the world today." The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 24. "Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind?" The Troubled Waters of Evolution, p. 75. Sources are: Morris, Henry M. "The Troubled Waters of Evolution." San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers, 1977. Morris, Henry M., and John C. Whitcomb, Jr. "The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications." Philadelphia: The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1961. I think Morris means exactly what he says, and that's what concerns me most. Jeff Mayhew