[net.religion] On D. Norris' newfound familiarity with the terminology of logic

rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (03/01/84)

Apparently, David Norris either has recently read a book on formal logic or
has conversed with someone fluent in the subject.  In either case, he has
emerged from the endeavor with a plethora of phrases designed to amaze and
astound us.  What David apparently fails to realize is that use of formal
logic terminology does not in and of itself make an argument hold water.
But, I guess one should remember that this comes from someone who simply holds
that the Bible and God are because they are, and would probably hold similar
mystical views of logic. :-)

David is fond of using the term "ad hominem" argument, and is quick to accuse
anyone who disagrees with him of using this tactic.  This has included people
(myself and others) who have stated that his articles did not contain anything
substantial.  This, to David, is an ad hominem attack.  I guess he feels that
they did contain something substantial, else why would he complain?  When asked
to substantiate that which was considered (by him) substantial, we seem to see
more of the same. He is very quick to utter phrases like "hasty generalization"
and "argumentum ad nauseum" (:-).  Is this an example of speaking in tongues?
Obviously David does not understand the words he is saying. :-)  He was very
quick to accuse me of these tactics in relation to my article about the person
in the Chicago area who misspelled Satan several times despite the fact that
he was following up an article with the correct spelling in the title!!  David
accused me of generalizing and assuming (?) things about this person.  Such as
1) he is a follower of an evangelist [the man has posted articles about his
evangelist friend being moved to stay another week for several weeks now!!!!],
2) he does not/has not read the Bible [the word Satan was in the title of the
article he was following up, so there is no excuse there; dyslexia does not
have such vowel substitutions as a symptom], and 3) he is an idiot [which I
never said, though it was possibly implied by that paragraph; misspelling Satan
does not make one an idiot, but it says something about the person's knowledge
about the subject being discussed].  I don't call such statements "assuming"
when they are backed up by facts.  I carefully chose to make NO generalizations
about this person on my own (the remark about "open wallets", as I mentioned,
came from someone else's article; I *do* agree with it, though).

There hasn't been a lot said in this article related to the original topic at
hand.  But I think this is justified when one sees articles by Mr. Norris
that consist of misquoting other people's statements and labelling them with
convenient Latin phrases to make a non-existent point.  Others have already
pointed out the thin thread by which David's version of formal logic hangs.
(Probably better than I did.)  The point is:  yes, this attack on a person's
logical methods is a waste of time, but if he continues to put forth articles
whose non-content consists of evading the question, what are we to do?  Let's
get back to discussions that are relevant to the newsgroup and be sure to
support our arguments and tear down others' through logical thought instead of
catchphrases.  It appears that the issue of one man's version of logic is a
moot point.

[David:  if you really want to see an ad hominem attack, here goes---
You're a world champion bozo with brains like peanut butter!!  Note that
this is just an example, and is not intended to be meant for you or any
individual.  Just thought you might like to see what ones looks like, as
contrasted with an attack on your argumentative methodologies.  If you want
to discuss your point of view,  let's do so in a rational manner, without
resorting to the use of bogus phraseology and quoting out of context.  Being
logical means more than just use of the logician's terminology.]
-- 
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	Rich Rosen    pyuxn!rlr