[net.religion] Tough one to swallow

tischler@ihuxv.UUCP (tischler) (02/28/84)

Once again Norris misses the point.  Collins not only can not spell, but his
grammar is equally as terrible.  The facts seem to point to another fact--
Collins is not very educated.  This argument is furthered by the fact that
he DOES follow an evangelist, according to his own articles he has posted to
the net.  All indications are that the less-educated in our society follow
an evangelist closely.  The final point is that when you follow an
evangelist, you MUST have an open wallet, or the evangelist will drop you
really quickly.  The fact that Collins can't spell or use grammar
properly merely indicates that, as a seemingly uneducated person, he is more
inclined to be suckered in to the following of an evangelist, which means
he will have to have an "open wallet."

It's a shame that Norris has lowered himself even further to defend someone
like Collins.  That's all I have to say at this particular time, since I
expect my mail bin is going to be overflowing in a moment.

				Mark

ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (02/28/84)

--
David Norris writes about Rich Rosen's ridicule of the person
who misspelled "Satan":

>>> "Hasty Generalization" - Rich has based a general statement on too small
>>> a sample.  Also, he has not made any connection between a bad speller &
>>> the quality of the audience of an evangelist.  He assumes:
>>> 	a) This fellow is a member of an evangelist's audience
>>> 	b) He is an idiot (argumentum ad Hominem, again)
>>> 	c) He has a wallet with money in it
>>> 	d) He has never read the Bible (or hardly ever).  This is not
>>> 	   obvious because he misspells "Satan".  He may have dyslexia, or
>>> 	   simply be a bad speller with a bad memory.

Sorry David, from here it looks like RR is batting a good .500.
He isn't generalizing at all.  Indeed, his logic is deductive, not
inductive.  The fellow clearly is of an evangelical persuasion,
and can't have read too much of the Bible.  Folks who read a lot
DO spell correctly.  And if he had dyslexia, he would have transposed
letters, not substituted an "i" for an "a".  But RR covers himself,
since if the fellow really DOES read, yet still cannot spell a
simple word basic to his values, then he IS an idiot.  This is not
an ad hominem, it's a fact.  But let's not get all worked up over
this.  Even we grammarians can hate the sin but love the sinner.
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david@ssc-vax.UUCP (David Norris) (03/03/84)

Rich Rosen, on the poor fellow who misspelled "Satan":

> I think, though, that
> it says something about the nature of evangelists and the caliber
> of their audiences when it's obvious that it's not important to have
> read the Bible in order to join this particular flock, but it IS
> important to keep listening---having an open ear (preferably with the
> suction power on high) and (as TCW has mentioned) an open wallet is
> more of a requirement than knowledge and thought.  

"Hasty Generalization"  - Rich has based a general statement on too small
a sample.  Also, he has not made any connection between a bad speller and
the quality of the audience of an evangelist.  He assumes:
	a) This fellow is a member of an evangelist's audience
	b) He is an idiot (argumentum ad Hominem, again)
	c) He has a wallet with money in it
	d) He has never read the Bible (or hardly ever).  This is not
	   obvious because he misspells "Satan".  He may have dyslexia, or
	   simply be a bad speller with a bad memory.

Also, there isn't any evidence showing that an "open wallet"
is more of a requirement because one person's spelling was bad.

	-- David Norris        :-)
	-- uw-beaver!ssc-vax!david