[net.religion] Paul Pomes != Knowing the Situation

tischler@ihuxv.UUCP (Mark D. Tischler) (03/28/84)

Fact 1:  As much as I hate Iran and Khomeini, the Iraqis are the AGRESSORS
	 in their war with Iran.

Fact 2:  The Iraqis have been found to be waging chemical warfare against Iran.

Fact 3:  Iraq is in a state of war with Israel, and was one of the numerous
	 opponents of Israel in the wars INITIATED by the Arabs in 1948,
	 1956, 1967, and 1973.

Fact 4:  Iraq has plenty of energy via oil.

Conclusion:  With all of these treacherous acts, would you believe Iraq if
	     they stated that the plant was going to be used for nuclear
	     power?

If you do, there something wrong with your logical reasoning.

The Israelis have always used their weapons defensively.  Anyone who says
otherwise has only heard one side of the story -- namely, the Arabs' side,
which has over and over again turned out to be full of fallacies.  (The
evidence is clear by the reports of wartime casualties and "successful"
offenses, that are eventually and inevitably proven incorrect.)  The Lebanon
invasion was for one reason only:  to rid Israel's northern border of the PLO
menace, which was shelling farming communities for years.  As soon as Israel
gets assurance that this will not start up again, they will pull out of
Lebanon.  They have no interest in staying there if the Lebanese can protect
the northern Israeli border, as you yourself stated when you rightly said that
Israel has spent an enormous amount of money while staying in Lebanon.

So, Paul, all I can say is that you have got a very twisted view of that part
of the world.  You have to base some of your statements on precedents, as I
have done here, rather than spreading damaging propaganda, as the Arab
countries love to do.

					Mark

reza@ihuxb.UUCP (H. Reza Taheri) (03/29/84)

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   There is a point here that I think some people have missed.  It is
true that one can be very suspicious of Iraq using its nuclear
reactor as a cover-up for a plant to produce atom bombs.  But what
about Israel?  Isn't it true that Israel has been doing nuclear
research for a long time now?  Isn't true that the government of
Israel refuses to accept or deny the accusations that it has already
produced nuclear weapons?

   Although there is no proof of Israel having A-bombs (just as there
was no proof of Iraq developing A-bombs), I think it is an accepted
fact.  (Has Israel ever signed the non-proliferation act?)

   If so, how can one justify what Israel did?

H. Reza Taheri
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alan@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Alan Algustyniak) (03/30/84)

<Victims are people too>

	Someone asks how one can justify the Israeli bombing of the Iraqi
reactor, when Israel is probably developing nuclear weapons with theirs.
The answer is so fundemental that i'm surprised the question was even
brought up.

	Israel is (maybe) developing nuclear weapons in order to preserve
and insure the independence of Israel, and the freedom and lives of its
citizens, not to mention the very existencs of the country. They will use
them only if necessary in order to do the above things. It also prevents
war by being a good deterrent.

	Iraq is (maybe) developing nuclear weapons in order to be able to
start and win a war with Israel. To destroy the country, and the freedom
and lives of its citizens. It would cause a war to start by giving the
Iraqis confidence that they would win.

	It's a lot like asking why one justifies a policeman disarming
a murderer, since the policeman himself is armed!

	Al Algustyniak