david@ssc-vax.UUCP (04/13/84)
[!] B. Walsh: > Don't all religions say there exists a problem, here's the cause, > and here's how to overcome that problem? No. Christianity explains the problem, the cause of the problem, and how the problem was solved. -- David Norris :-) -- uw-beaver!ssc-vax!david
rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (04/17/84)
<> David Norris, responding to B. Walsh: >> Don't all religions say there exists a problem, here's the cause, >> and here's how to overcome that problem? > >No. Christianity explains the problem, the cause of the problem, and how >the problem was solved. OK, so the difference between Christianity and all the others is that they solved the "problem" (whatever it might have been :-). Now that it's done with and solved, I guess we don't need Christianity any more? -- ...Are you making this up as you go along? Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303) 444-5710 x3086
mwm@ea.UUCP (04/18/84)
#R:ssc-vax:-6300:ea:11300017:000:452 ea!mwm Apr 17 17:41:00 1984 /***** ea:net.religion / ssc-vax!david / 1:43 am Apr 14, 1984 */ [!] B. Walsh: > Don't all religions say there exists a problem, here's the cause, > and here's how to overcome that problem? No. Christianity explains the problem, the cause of the problem, and how the problem was solved. -- David Norris :-) -- uw-beaver!ssc-vax!david /* ---------- */ Why the no? Sounds like B. Walsh pegged Christianity (among everything else). <mike
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (04/18/84)
>>> Don't all religions say there exists a problem, here's the cause, >>> and here's how to overcome that problem? [WALSH] >> No. Christianity explains the problem, the cause of the problem, and how >> the problem was solved. [NORRIS] > OK, so the difference between Christianity and all the others is that they > solved the "problem" (whatever it might have been :-). Now that it's done > with and solved, I guess we don't need Christianity any more? [DUNN] Dick Dunn misses an interesting point about Christianity, problem solving, etc. Every religion, Christianity included, has a system of beliefs. But all of these systems are nothing more (read my lips: n o t h i n g m o r e ) than *proposed* *scenarios*. The "evidence" that proponents put forth in favor of their particular beliefs does not bear up under scrutiny. And that is the crux of the problem. -- "I'm not dead yet!" "Oh, don't be such a baby!" Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr
karl@osu-dbs.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) (04/19/84)
---------- David Norris, responding to B. Walsh: >> Don't all religions say there exists a problem, here's the cause, >> and here's how to overcome that problem? > >No. Christianity explains the problem, the cause of the problem, and how >the problem was solved. OK, so the difference between Christianity and all the others is that they solved the "problem" (whatever it might have been :-). Now that it's done with and solved, I guess we don't need Christianity any more? ---------- No, you missed part of the point. The problem has been solved, but the solution hasn't been fully implemented yet. (Sure, you can write a driver for a new piece of hardware for Unix; but until you put it into the kernel, that new hardware just sits there.) -- "Confusion will be my epitaph." -- King Crimson, 1969 Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus accessible as osu-dbs!karl, but *much* better as {cbosgd,rlgvax,ihnp4}!cbrma!kk
karl@osu-dbs.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) (04/19/84)
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Rich Rosen:
The "evidence" that proponents put forth in favor of
their particular beliefs does not bear up under scrutiny. And that is the crux
of the problem.
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I have to disagree. You, Rich, constantly provide forms of scrutiny
for my system of beliefs. You are one of the reasons I continue to
read net.religion, exasperating though it becomes. Your scrutiny has not
caused me to conclude that my beliefs do not hold up. On the contrary,
your scrutiny has only reinforced them. The crux of the problem, I
think, is that those who try to scrutinize a system of beliefs seldom
deal with the system of beliefs itself, but only with appearances of
{that,those} system(s). The two are not the same.
--
"Confusion will be my epitaph." -- King Crimson, 1969
Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus
accessible as osu-dbs!karl, but *much* better as {cbosgd,rlgvax,ihnp4}!cbrma!kknxs@fluke.UUCP (Bruce Golub) (05/01/84)
Ah yes...how does it go..? "Hand in hand, gland in gland, with a spoonful of miracles, he's a supersonic scientist, he's the guarantied-eternal-sanctuary man." P. Gabrial Suppers Ready then again I could be the devil's advocate Bruce Golub Not reachable as, due to the cause and effect of religous dogdo (whoops I mean dogma), anything.