amra@ihuxj.UUCP (Steven L. Aldrich) (05/12/84)
I read an interesting article in todays paper that may be of interest to people in this news group. It was reported by the Los Angeles Times, and appears below complete and un-edited. [ or should I say un-altered since I have obviously used an editor to enter the story -:) . ] Pope Hails Wisdom of Buddhists!! (5-11-84) By: Don A Schanche L.A. Times. BANGKOK--Pope John Paul II slipped off his shoes to sit quietly with the supreme patriarch of Thailand's Buddhists at a monastery here yesterday and afterward praised the " ancient and venerable wisdom " of the Asian religion. After meeting with the 87 year old Buddhist patriarch, His Holiness Vasana-Tera, the Roman Catholic pontiff told 30,000 Catholics at the city's National Stadium that their country's Buddhist tradition provided " fertile terrain " for Christian beliefs. "The church looks with *sincere respect* upon the religious wisdom contained in non-Christian tradition and rejects *nothing* that is *true* and *holy* in them," he said. (emphasis mine) Referring to the contemplative aspect of Buddhism, John Paul said: "The fruits of a peaceable and gentle wisdom are manifestly evident in the Thai character and are esteemed and respected by those who have the good fortune to meet you and come to know the spiritual quality within you." Thailand, last stop on his 11-day Pacific pilgrimage, is mostly Buddhist, with Christians making up less than 1 percent of its 50 million people. About 200,000 are Catholics. After his jet landed from Papua New Guinea, the pope kissed the tarmac and was welcomed by Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn. He was driven to the ornate throne room of the Grand Palace to meet King Bhumibol Adulayadej, Queen Sikrit, and members of their family. The pope told them he had come to thank them and the Thai people on behalf of the church for " the generous hospitality given to thousands and thousands of refugees." Thailand harbors 135,000 refugees from Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam and provided temporary refuge for hundreds of thousands more before they left for new homes in the United States, Australia, France and Canada. The pope will visit the Phanat Nikom refugee camp 55 miles north of here today. John Paul II then called on the supreme patriarch of the Buddhists at Ratchabopit Monastery. He sat on a low throne facing Vasana-Tera, who sat cross-legged on a platform so their eye level was equal. Without even a word of greeting, the two sat in silence for five minutes of prayer and meditation. The Buddhist leader then spoke concerning "common objectives such as happiness and peace based on *justice, loving kindness, and compassion," said a Vatican official. The pontiff's reply was too softly spoken for anyone but the Buddhist leader and his translator to hear. --Los Angeles Times (05-11-84) I wish more people, especially in this group, would develop the same attitude toward the beliefs of others. Why can't we calmly discuss and share our views on religious matters without animosity toward each other?? It seems that the only purpose of this group is to argue,insult be-little and denounce the beliefs of others who dis-agree with our own opinion(s). If each one of us would try harder, I believe we could actually carry on * calm, rational, & maybe even meaningful* discussions about different religious views of the world. Personally, I get tired of reading so much *hate mail* on this news group. When I first started reading net.religion, I had hoped to gain some insight into many different religions. However it didn't turn out that way. I believe if we *ALL* tried a little tolerance for a change, there would be a significant improvement in the quality and diversity of material submitted to net.religion. If you'd care to comment on this, send it to me by Email or POST your reply to this news group. I will do my best to respond in a timely manner. However I am rather busy at the moment, so replies may be slow in coming. Thanks in advance for your input, always glad to hear from others. (even if we don't agree on things) PEACE & BEST WISHES From the life force currently known as: Steve Aldrich (IHNP4!IHUXJ!AMRA) P.S. "Which way are you lookin', is it hard to see? Do you say what's wrong for him is not wrong for me? You walk the streets in righteousness, but you refuse to understand. You say you love the baby, then you crucify the man!" Jim Croce
martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Martillo) (05/13/84)
Thailand has a law which forbids Christian proselytization. The prime minister described Christian proselytization as making Thai citizens dead to Thailand and as destroying Thai civilization. Missionaries often spend an unpleasant period in jail before being unceremoniously expelled.
rf@wu1.UUCP (05/15/84)
I was delighted to read Don Schanche's newspaper article on the Pope and the Buddhists. Since I don't read any newspaper regularly, I probably would not have read of that meeting. Thanks to Steve Aldrich for publishing it here. Regrettably, I do not believe that tolerance will ever reign in net.religion. There are too many people who believe that spreading the Word is a duty which takes precedence over the charity of good manners. Most people have a private mythology, a story they tell themselves about the way the world is. To threaten that mythology is to threaten madness; to disprove a private mythology is to leave a man "lost and afraid/in a world he never made". The breaking and making of mythology is a part of religious conversion; the battles of conversion are fought over the citadels of the heart. Such battles are, inevitably, heated. The temptations to those who undertake conversion are: - The desire to convert others, not for love, but to support one's own private mythology. - The turning of righteous anger, not against evil, but against other men, even to the point of murderous hatred. - The belief that battle with evil is the only good. The temptations to those who defend themselves against conversion are: - The desire to defend one's private mythology against wisdom and logic. - The turning of righteous anger, not against the evils of your assailant, but against your assailant's self. - The belief that religion is evil. This is ultimately belief in the evil of one's own private mythology, which leads to self-hatred and despair. The temptations of conversion are very great. Those of conversion in a public forum are very nearly insurmountable and yet the temptation to try it is itself great, for who does not wish to do battle with evil? To discuss religion publicly and avoid conversion, to tread lightly in the silences of the human heart, requires uncommon courage and charity. I do not see this in the contributors to this newsgroup. Ok, flamers, I have thrown the gauntlet. PROVE ME WRONG! Please. From the asbestos mailbox of: Randolph Fritz UUCPnet: decvax!philabs!wu1!rf
brunson@usfbobo.UUCP (%David Brunson) (05/19/84)
In reply to Randolph Fritz: > PROVE ME WRONG! Please. The anguished plea of the desperate man. How can I ignore it? If there is such a thing as compassion, what else could provoke it? > Most people have a private mythology, a story they tell > themselves about the way the world is. Ah yes. That noble annihilation! A universe of Little Napoleons comforting themselves with their own delusions. "... wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever." I too have seen this wisdom and been grieved by it. So have many of us who choose to live in the Kingdom. Won't you join us, Randolph? David Brunson duke!ucf-cs!usfbobo!brunson