[net.religion] A look at the Christian view of God

isbell@marvin.DEC (Chris Isbell) (05/25/84)

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I  would  be  interested in comments from Christians about the following
passage from the book of Exodus. (Source: "Good News Bible".)
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3:13
But  Moses  replied,  "When I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The
God  of  your  ancestors sent me to you,' they will ask me, 'What is his
name?' So what can I tell them?"
3:14
God  said,  "I  am who I am. This is what you must say to them" 'The one
who is called I AM (Note: e) has sent me to you.'
3:15
Tell  the  Israelites  that I, the LORD, the God of their ancestors, the
God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them. This is my name
for ever; this is what all future generations are to call me." ...

Note e: I am who I am...I AM; or I will be who I will be...I WILL BE. "I
am"  sounds like the Hebrew name Yahweh, traditionally transliterated as
Jehovah.  The  name  is represented in this translation by "the LORD" in
capital  letters,  following  a  usage  which  is  widespread in English
versions.
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This quote has been drawn to my attention by two separate sources, Larry
Bickford  in  net.religion, and Professor David Bohm at a weekend course
on  quantum  physics  and our world view. (My abbreviated description of
the contents of the weekend.) 

The  point emphasized by Professor Bohm is that God defined 'himself' as
"I AM", but human beings have a strong tendency to add to this to make a
statement  of  the form "I AM <predicate>", eg:- I am good, I am evil, I
am not this terminal etc... ( Or in a similar manner God is good, God is
everywhere  etc...) To do this is to artificially fragment 'God', 'life'
(Whatever  term  you  wish  to  use).  (Please  allow  for  my imperfect
understanding of what Professor Bohm was saying when reading this.) 

Larry  has  been  pointing  out  the 'Christian' idea that it is evil to
worship  false  Gods.  The above quote would seem to relate to this idea
since it provides information on the Christian concept of what is a true
God.  (I  take  it  I can assume that the God represented by the burning
bush  is  the  Christian  God.)  

Like  any  piece  of  written  material, the passage quoted above can be
interpreted  in  many  different  ways. At a very simple level, the term
"Yahweh"  can  be considered as something which is perceived as a sound.
In which case, according to Larry, anyone who worships "God" rather than
"Yahweh"  is  worshipping  a  false  God.  This  does  not seem to be in
agreement  with  other  things accepted as Christianity so I will assume
that this is not what is intended by the passage (or by Larry). 

Another interpretation would be that the statements "I AM" and "I AM WHO
I  AM"  are  complete  of  themselves. This carries the implication that
God's  existence  is  not  dependent  on  anything  else.  This  idea is
supported by the 'Christian' ideas on the futility of worshipping idols,
for  then "I AM" (God) would be identified with some material object. In
this  case,  the  'visions'  of  God  in the Bible are descriptions of a
finite  perception  of that which is infinite since the full Infinity is
beyond  our scope. The 'problem' with this interpretation is that if God
is  infinite, and hence indefinable in human terms, how can we know is a
particular interpretation of God is true or not? All that can be said is
that  any  interpretation  of  God  will  be  limited  and  in  some way
inaccurate.  From  this  point it is a short (and dangerous) step to the
opinion  that  all  the different religions are paths to the same 'God',
but  they are merely expressing the infinite in different ways. This may
or may not be true, but because of the involvement of 'something' beyond
human experience, belief in either point of view is not provable. 

[I  would  like  to  thank  Larry  for  his  comments which have been of
considerable  assistance  to me in preparing this submission. (This does
not mean that he necessarily agrees with what I have written.)]

			Chris Isbell.
		(...dec-decwrl!rhea!marvin!isbell)

stuart@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Stuart Kurtz) (05/29/84)

Actually, the unspeakable name of God is the basis for a very
important pun in the New Testament.  When Jesus is asked
who he is, he replies ``I am who you say I am.''  In aramaic,
this puns to ``I am Yahweh''.  In the eyes of the Sanhedrin, this
was the ultimate blaspheme.  The pun was undoubtedly intentional.
It's too bad that this particular pun doesn't translate.

Stuart Kurtz
The University of Chicago
(ihnp4!gargoyle!stuart)