[net.religion] Discipline/Rights/Hate

nowlin@ihu1e.UUCP (Jerry Nowlin) (09/30/84)

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 >>Even  if  you  judge  people  to be sinners, which the bible says you
 >>shouldn't ...

 >Where does the Bible say that?

Try Matthew 7:1-5 from the sermon on the mount and Romans 14:12-20 where Paul
is talking about how christians should behave toward non-christians.  The
passage from Romans will probably come back to haunt me.  I should know better
than to give you scriptures since you'll just invoke Rule 1.

I *try* not to judge other people because they don't look like, act like, or
agree with me.  I'm not black but I don't hate blacks.  I'm not gay but I
don't hate gays.  I'm not christian but I don't hate christians.  I don't eat
liver but I don't hate people that do.  They all fall in about the same
category to me.  Whether the difference is one nobody can change or it's
something a person has a choice in, as long as it doesn't hurt me or anyone
else what right do I have to interfere.  Being different shouldn't mean better
or worse, just different.

If someone tried to force me to eat liver I'd put up a fight.  That doesn't
mean I won't sit at the same table eating my hamburger while they eat liver.
It's people like you who try to force their beliefs/morals on the rest of us
that really bother me.  What gives you the right to decree what a true
christian or even a good person is?  Oh, I forgot.  You can use the parts of
the bible you agree with.

 >>"No longer seeking"

 >If the experiences you mentioned (cigarette-smoking deacons, racist
 >church members) halted your search for the truth, you must not have
 >wanted it *too* much.  And I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that
 >believers should feel shamed because you've given up!

I don't expect anyone to be ashamed because they're religious.  I didn't give
up.  I finally saw through the smoke screen that religion really is.  I don't
need it to be content.  I don't need something to look forward to after I die
to be happy right now.  My life is in my control and if I choose to screw it
up I don't need a deity or a devil to put the blame on.

 >>I think Dave's hatred is much too deeply ingrained to allow him to
 >>explain or question it.

 >This is the second time I've seen this hatred thing.  Jerry Nowlin
 >said something similar.  I definitely hate lies and sometimes react
 >viscerally against them (having seen the disastrous results that
 >acceptance of lies has had in my own life and the lives of some of
 >my friends).  As far as I know this is a virtue.  Let me know if
 >you can correct me on this.

Hate is a very strong word.  I don't know anyone who thinks of it as a virtue.
I don't know what's poisoned you with hate.  You have my sympathy.  I can only
wish you some peace of mind and hope you find someone who can love you in
spite of your hatred.  If I were religious I'd definitely pray for you.

Jerry Nowlin
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