ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193) (01/01/70)
John writes, > > God's plan is not allways logical in a human perspective. It > requires what is known as faith. > > A convenient excuse. "God is incomprehensible and his ways beyond the > knowledge or ability of man to grasp"... all except for Ken Nicholls, > who speaks the word of God. I never said I new the whole will of God. I only know that which is laid out in His Word. I don't know His plan for anyone's life, not even my own. Some of God is beyond the ability of man to grasp. The things that need to be known about God to be saved are found in the scriptures, and can be understood with the Spirit's help. > I only set forth the truth about God, I didn't claim that I was > anyone important, but that God was, and deserves to be worshiped. > > Of course you're not important.... you're low as shit and deserve eternities > of punishment. How could you expect to be anyone important. I am only important because of the relationship that I have with God. On my own strength I am not important. Only when I allow God to use me do I have a sense of importance. > That's not arrogance as far as I can see. > > Apparently you can't see very far. It is arrogant for ANYONE to think > he can relay the will or word of an all-mighty and all-powerful God. > Why is it that his will and thoughts are totally incomprehensible > to everyone except yourself? How is it that YOU can comprehend the > will of the infinite and yet, even those who knew Jesus and God > couldn't? Claiming to know the will of God and the minds and hearts > of other people is elevating yourself to the level of God... > and the inability to change your beliefs or consider any other thoughts > (other than your own) makes you intolerent and arrogant. > > - John The only knowledge I claim to know is the knowledge found in the Scripture. I do not know all of God's will and I know none of His thoughts. I only know what I have read about His plan in the Bible. Why should I want to fill my mind with things that are not revealed by God in the Bible? Nothing else in this world contains more truth than His Word. --- "...holding forth the Ken Nichols word of life..." Phil. 2:16 ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken ---------------------
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/23/84)
Mike Cherepov discovered something very interesting there when he pointed out how many people are claiming "God cannot see beyond man's [sic] sin", "God cannot allow sinners to share in a happy afterlife", "God cannot provide everything that everyone would like". Obviously, saying "God cannot" places limits (imposed by the speaker) on the power of god (who is supposed to be omnipotent---without limits to its power). These limits sound like what the speakers would desire these limits to be. God cannot allow sinners a happy afterlife, because that would make my whole viewpoint on reward/punishment invalid. God cannot provide everything that everyone would like, because that would eradicate my notion of a puritan work ethic, which claims that god rewards only those who work. God can't see beyond a person's sin because doing so would invalidate my concept of the unworthiness of humanity and treat sinners equally with pious people like me, and I don't accept that. If these people had said "God does not", one could ask them where they got their information, where they found the list of things god does and does not do. But they clearly exclaim "CAN NOT", which to me means that either god is not omnipotent or (more likely) that they are (once again) choosing certain things they would like to see in the world (justice, punishment, etc.) and TELLING GOD WHAT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS *DO* EXIST. "No, god, stop rewarding that sinner over there. Reward me instead. I'm a good person." -- If it doesn't change your life, it's not worth doing. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193) (10/26/84)
Rich writes, > Mike Cherepov discovered something very interesting there when he pointed out > how many people are claiming "God cannot see beyond man's [sic] sin", "God > cannot allow sinners to share in a happy afterlife", "God cannot provide > everything that everyone would like". > > Obviously, saying "God cannot" places limits (imposed by the speaker) on the > power of god (who is supposed to be omnipotent---without limits to its power). > These limits sound like what the speakers would desire these limits to be. > God cannot allow sinners a happy afterlife, because that would make my whole > viewpoint on reward/punishment invalid. God cannot provide everything that > everyone would like, because that would eradicate my notion of a puritan work > ethic, which claims that god rewards only those who work. God can't see > beyond a person's sin because doing so would invalidate my concept of the > unworthiness of humanity and treat sinners equally with pious people like > me, and I don't accept that. > Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr When we say that God cannot do something, we are refering to the perfectness of His nature. God has the power to do anything. However, God has other atributes also, and these we cannot ignore. "God cannot see beyond man's sin." This statement is true not because God is not omnipotent, but because He is also perfectly holy. His holiness will not allow Him to commune with the sin in a man's life. When this sin is taken care of by Christ, then God does not see the sin anymore, and can commune directly with the man. "God cannot allow sinners to share in a happy afterlife." In order to have a happy afterlife, one would have to be in communion with God. But as I said above, God cannot commune with the undealt with sin in a man. Not only that, but man is getting his just reward if he ends up in hell because he has not let Christ take care of the sin problem that he has. "God cannot provide everything that everyone would like." This is not really true. God chooses in His perfect wisdom to not give everyone exactly what they want. God will not cater to man's sinfull selfishness. He has given everyone a free will, and an act such as this would remove man's free will. You see Rich, God is all powerfull, but that does not supercede His other attributes. All of God's qualities work together in a perfect balance that no man can ever fully understand. These qualities fitting all together is another proof that God is deserving of worship and praise. -- "...holding forth the Ken Nichols word of life..." Phil. 2:16 ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken ------------
ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (10/27/84)
-- >> You see Rich, God is all powerfull, but that does not supercede His >> other attributes. All of God's qualities work together in a perfect >> balance that no man can ever fully understand. These qualities fitting >> all together is another proof that God is deserving of worship and >> praise. >> Ken Nichols Let me see if I've got this right--God is omnipotent, except for some things he (or she) can't do. Well, that's the end of any logical argument on this point. It wins 1st prize for arrogance, though. "Jesus may have died for your sins, but he didn't die for mine." --Patti Smith -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 27 Oct 84 [6 Brumaire An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** *** <--PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!
jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson) (11/06/84)
God's plan is not allways logical in a human perspective. It requires what is known as faith. A convenient excuse. "God is incomprehensible and his ways beyond the knowledge or ability of man to grasp"... all except for Ken Nicholls, who speaks the word of God. I only set forth the truth about God, I didn't claim that I was anyone important, but that God was, and deserves to be worshiped. Of course you're not important.... you're low as shit and deserve eternities of punishment. How could you expect to be anyone important. That's not arrogance as far as I can see. Apparently you can't see very far. It is arrogant for ANYONE to think he can relay the will or word of an all-mighty and all-powerful God. Why is it that his will and thoughts are totally incomprehensible to everyone except yourself? How is it that YOU can comprehend the will of the infinite and yet, even those who knew Jesus and God couldn't? Claiming to know the will of God and the minds and hearts of other people is elevating yourself to the level of God... and the inability to change your beliefs or consider any other thoughts (other than your own) makes you intolerent and arrogant. THIS is the happiness machine... let's go in. - John