jtc78@ihuxm.UUCP (Mike Cherepov) (10/19/84)
I hate to grow moss on a clear issue, but why differ?... ( > - Ken Nichols) >No, I meant exactly as I said. I know I'm on the write path, but I can't show >you why. Why would you take my word for it (if I had factual evidence) if you >won't take God's word for it? ('it' = christianity) Certainly God is much >greater than I. You know that you right, Khomeini knows that he's right, clever Zen people just know that they are right, Oziris' worshippers knew deep inside that they were right. Nobody can explain how they knew it, and the sad thing is that some of these folks' knowledge is but a myth. Go tell them that it's they who are mistaken. Or tell me why trust you. Your paragraph could have been written by a devil's servant and would sound just as convincingly. >> He just can not fulfill his desire to commune, you know. Not unless >> you give him a hand. > >No, not unless you take the hand He's is extending toward you. You just >except the provisions He's already made. Confessing your sin would do nothing >unless God forgave that sin because of Christ's sacrifice. Nothing we do will >help us to reach God, because He's already done it all. It is irrelevant. You said "God can not"! The first time I heard that was while watching Mr. Angeley or one his collegues (TV), and that made me choke on my quintuple scoth on the rocks. How can you say "God can not"? This is ultimate confusion. >Tim Maroney did a good job at proving how wise man thinks he is, when he is >really a fool. I know someone who will (literaly) dispose of him at the >proper time, that's not my job. > >"...holding forth the Ken Nichols Daddy, daddy, this bad boy called me a bad name!! Don't count on the creator, Ken. Instant Karma's gonna get you... Mike Cherepov (aka Musing)
rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn) (11/07/84)
. i'm posting this for a friend. please send all replies to the net-address at the bottom. I have been watching Ken Nichols say things that don't make sense now for quite a while, but after seeing these quotes, I felt that I had to reply. > Why can't you see > it is because of God's perfect Holiness and Justice that He must condemn man > for sin? Why do you (everyone on the net) refuse to look at man's sin for > what it is? God cannot allow sin into His presence. He has no choice in this > matter. His perfect attributes demand His judgement on sin. This does not make sense. God cannot allow sin in his presence?? I thought he was everywhere! Are you saying that God is not omnipotent? Of course there is sin in God's presence, because there is sin on this earth, and God created this earth. Furthermore, God had to have created sin. If God did not create sin, then where did it come from?? Are you willing to say that there is another being with the power to do things against God's will??? If an inferior being (such as Satan, perhaps) created sin, then God in his Holiness would then have to destroy the sin, according to you. Of course if he couldn't, then it would invalidate God's claim to omnipotence, and it would become meaningless which diety you worshipped because they would both be as powerful. There are many other logical flaws in the argument that god is opposed to sin. I won't state them all now. I'll end with a quote- "He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass" > Holiness in opposed to sin. They cannot co-habitate. This is a very naive statement. You must not have learned any of the lessons that Eastern religions have taught us. Good cannot exist without evil. The very term "good" has no meaning unless there also exists it compliment "evil". To destroy all evil is also to destroy all good, as the definition of good would become meaningless without something to compare it too. Even if one does not believe in the oriental religions, there are still valuable lessons to be learned which require a deepening of our understanding. Simplified explanations of the battle between "good" and "evil", and ancient Hebrew myths simply do not have much meaning in the modern world, with the wealth of religious wisdom and knowledge we now have to draw upon. I was once a Christian too, until I started studying religion. "There is no god, and I am his prophet" Russell Spence replies to: ihnp4!ihlpm!russ AT&T Technologies Naperville, IL
ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193) (11/08/84)
> I have been watching Ken Nichols say things that don't make sense now for > quite a while, but after seeing these quotes, I felt that I had to reply. > >> Why can't you see >> it is because of God's perfect Holiness and Justice that He must condemn man >> for sin? Why do you (everyone on the net) refuse to look at man's sin for >> what it is? God cannot allow sin into His presence. L%?has no choice in this >> matter. His perfect attributes demand His judgement on sin. > > This does not make sense. God cannot allow sin in his presence?? I thought > he was everywhere! Are you saying that God is not omnipotent? Of course > there is sin in God's presence, because there is sin on this earth, and God > created this earth. I understand your argument. I should have been more specific. Of course God sees sin in the world. But He cannot fellowship with sin in an intimate way, the way He desires to fellowship with man. > Furthermore, God had to have created sin. If God did > not create sin, then where did it come from?? Are you willing to say that > there is another being with the power to do things against God's will??? > If an inferior being (such as Satan, perhaps) created sin, then God in his > Holiness would then have to destroy the sin, according to you. Of course if > he couldn't, then it would invalidate God's claim to omnipotence, and it > would become meaningless which diety you worshipped because they would > both be as powerful. There are many other logical flaws in the argument that > god is opposed to sin. I won't state them all now. I'll end with a quote- > > "He who made kittens, put snakes in the grass" Satan was the originator of sin. He introduced it to man in the Garden of Eden. God can defeat sin. Jesus Christ can already give us the victory over the power of sin. And in heaven we will be delivered from the presence of sin. God is letting sin run its course to destruction, and then He will come back to claim the earth. >> Holiness in opposed to sin. They cannot co-habitate. > > This is a very naive statement. You must not have learned any of the > lessons that Eastern religions have taught us. Good cannot exist without > evil. The very term "good" has no meaning unless there also exists it > compliment "evil". To destroy all evil is also to destroy all good, as > the definition of good would become meaningless without something to > compare it too. Good is good, and evil is evil. God is perfect goodness. And in Him there is no evil. God does exist in perfect goodness, and allways will. Those Eastern religions have taught you lies of the devil, not the truth about God. > Even if one does not believe in the oriental religions, there are still > valuable lessons to be learned which require a deepening of our understanding. > Simplified explanations of the battle between "good" and "evil", and ancient > Hebrew myths simply do not have much meaning in the modern world, with > the wealth of religious wisdom and knowledge we now have to draw upon. The gospel story is simple. It's so simple that man has to try to make it perfectly logical in order to accept it. It wasn't meant to be perfectly logical. > I was once a Christian too, until I started studying religion. > > "There is no god, and I am his prophet" > > Russell Spence You may not have been a true Christian unless you accepted the gift of salvation freely given on the cross. Either you are still a Christian, but are out of fellowship with God, or you never were a real Christian. You cannot unbecome a Christian. If there is no God, what are you the prophet of? -- "...holding forth the Ken Nichols word of life..." Phil. 2:16 ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken --------------------
jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson) (11/09/84)
Furthermore, God had to have created sin. If God did not create sin, then where did it come from?? Are you willing to say that there is another being with the power to do things against God's will??? Well actually one can say that God created the potential for ALL things to happen... like setting up a particular basis for a particular N-space, but not actually deriving all of the solutions then. Uh... get what I mean? This is a basic problem... why did God put evil in the world. - John