yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) (11/08/84)
It has previously been shown that the modern versions of the NT are not true to the early N'tzarim Jewish teachings, practices or perceptions. It has previously been shown that Christianity has introduced false and fraudulent redactions and interpretations in an increasingly antinomian and antisemitic flavored evolution. It is clear that Christianity has changed Shabbat to Sun-god-day, Passover to Esotera's festival, instituted idol worship in the saints and mariolatry, adopted St. Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, All Saint's Day (Halloween), etc. in substitution for Jewish festivals, forcibly adopted the eating of swine and the rejection of the validity of Torah while substituting their own laws/criteria for 'righteousness' and 'holiness', and similar instances of supplanting the Torah of the God of Avraham, Yitzkhak and Yakov with their own laws, rituals, practices and doctrines having no connection to the N'tzarim Jews of the 1st century CE. It is widely known and accepted that Jesus Christ is the champion of this Christianity and it is widely accepted that Y'shua is the historical Jew of the N'tzarim writings. Since these teachings were based in the Jewish Bible, it must be accepted that the God of Avraham, Yitzkhak and Yakov is immutable (unchanging) [Mal. 3:6] Based on Dan. 7:25, it is the contra-mashiakh who was to institute such changes and contravene the Torah of God. Based on these last 2 premises, anyone who comes to change or supplant the perfect Torah (Ps 19:7/8) of an unchanging God is a contra-mashiakh. As a counterfeit of the historical figure who is the champion of these very things, we must therefore conclude that Jesus Christ is a contra- mashiakh (antichrist) and that his followers have only a counterfeit savior and are themselves 'unsaved' and, in fact, in need of the very salvation they have proclaimed. When Christians attempt to convert Jews in the future, it is they who need to turn to the Judaism from which they became apostate around 110 CE. It is they who are unsaved and in need of salvation. Turn back to the Judaism of your origins and find your salvation before you suffer all of the dooms you have been proclaiming to everyone else. Don't be stiffnecked in your arrogance and hypocrisies simply because the shoe is now on the other foot.
brunson@usfbobo.UUCP (David Brunson) (11/09/84)
[] The irrepressible Yiri Ben-David: >When Christians attempt to convert Jews in the future, it is they who >need to turn to the Judaism from which they became apostate around 110 >CE. It is they who are unsaved and in need of salvation. Turn back to >the Judaism of your origins and find your salvation before you suffer >all of the dooms you have been proclaiming to everyone else. Don't be >stiffnecked in your arrogance and hypocrisies simply because the shoe is >now on the other foot. This presents a number of interesting theological questions for the divinity students: Does God hear the prayers of Christians? Have Jews replaced Christians as the *true* Jews? Has Israel replaced America as the *true* Israel? Are Christians Mashiakh-Killers? -- with a big fat :-), the master
mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (11/10/84)
In article <1698@ucf-cs.UUCP> yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) writes: >It has previously been shown that the modern versions of the >NT are not true to the early N'tzarim Jewish teachings, practices or >perceptions. > >It has previously been shown that Christianity has introduced >false and fraudulent redactions and interpretations in an increasingly >antinomian and antisemitic flavored evolution. I see no need to repeat my arguments on these points. However, the following points deserve a rebuttal because Yiri hasn't recycled these threadbare arguments within the last couple of months. >It is clear that Christianity has changed Shabbat to >Sun-god-day, We do not claim that Sunday as Shabbat. >Passover to Esotera's festival, A classic case of misused etymology. In fact, only in English, among European languages, has two different wrods to distiguish Easter from Passover. Latin and Greek, the only languages relevant to your claims, have the same word for both. As for the calendar, I see no reason why our feasts need be ruled by a calendar which does not mention them. >instituted idol worship in >the saints and mariolatry, If you knew anything about protestantism, you will know that these practices were repudiated 500 years ago. >adopted St. Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's >Day, All Saint's Day (Halloween), etc. in substitution for Jewish >festivals, What Jewish festivals? I work for an Orthodox Jew, and *I* don't get these days off!! >forcibly adopted the eating of swine and the rejection of the >validity of Torah while substituting their own laws/criteria for >'righteousness' and 'holiness', and similar instances of supplanting >the Torah of the God of Avraham, Yitzkhak and Yakov with their own laws, >rituals, practices and doctrines having no connection to the N'tzarim >Jews of the 1st century CE. Since I'm going to have to give up on this soon, I don't have time to respond at length to this. Those who have read the Acts of the Apostles should find the true christian position clearly explained there. >It is widely known and accepted that Jesus Christ is the champion of >this Christianity and it is widely accepted that Y'shua is the >historical Jew of the N'tzarim writings. Since Jesus and Y'shua are merely different names for the same person, a claim on one is a claim upon the other. Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe