yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) (11/25/84)
>From rosenblg@acf4.UUCP Sun Feb 6 01:28:16 206 >>/***** acf4:net.religion / yiri@ucf-cs / 9:15 am Nov 18, 1984*/ >>Why would anyone want to convert to a counterfeit? Can't they read? >>Why don't they look into the matter in some depth. They are obviously >>not very knowledgeable in Judaism nor Christianity. If they feign >>otherwise let them speak up. Why must they sneak around? Are they >>ashamed? Deservedly so. >>/* ---------- */ >a "counterfeit"?? you have posed no arguments to explain why you feel >Christianity is a counterfeit religion. decisions like this are not >something done on a whim, so obviously the matter has, or is, being >looked into very deeply. what could be deeper?? >there's no sneaking involved; if there was, they wouldn't have >placed this on the net. ********************* Yiri responds: On the contrary, I certainly have posed documented and sound arguments, even using Christian scholars, to show that Christiantiy has contradictions which render it flawed and counterfeit of the early N'tzarim. For the nth time, Parkes shows that 4th century Christianity was dramatically different form the 1st century N'tzarim. He also shows that antinomianism/anti-Torah-ism was inherent from the incepetion of the Christian movement (as opposed to the 1st century N'tzarim who continued to be Torah observant). Bagatti shows that the anti-Torah Christians killed the Torah-observant N'tzarim BECAUSE the N'tzarim would not abandon their observance of Torah. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (Text,NT) documents that Christians did indeed make delilberate changes in the manuscripts in order to make them conform to what THEY (the anti-Torah Christians) regarded was the 'true' doctrines. There is no legitimate 'link-up' between the Christians who were killing the Torah-observant N'tzarim and the N'tzarim (who included Y'shua and his 12 apprentices). Christianitiy is therefore a counterfeit religion. The Christians 'adapted' the Jewish messiah idea into something more 'suitable' to the Roman pagan culture - the anti-Torah image based on Y'shua (the Torah-observant N'tzarim). That counterfeitted image came to be known as 'Jesus'. Y'shua and his followers not only kept Torah and taught Torah in synagogues, they were willing to die for it even 4 centuries later! Now an anti-Torah image is a counterfeit! And the name of that counterfeit is 'Jesus'! And the counterfeit (of the N'tzarim) is Christianity! And if Y'shua is to be regarded as the messiah, then that makes 'Jesus' the antichrist!!! Now there are several on the net who are doing their best to sidestep these issues, redirect attention to peripheral questions, and anything else they can think of to avoid dealing with this... but it simply isn't going to work. They have no sound answers to this because there are none. Even Christian scholars acknowledge it. And there's an entire world out there beyond the Christian scholars who have little or no trouble seeing things a bit more objectively. Now I'm beginning to read that the Interpreter's Dictionary, Parkes and Bagatti are being poopooed as not authoritative. The problem is that your mind is made up and anything which might contradict it is THEREFORE not authoritative and of no consequence. Now that's genuine ignorance. *****************************