yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) (12/05/84)
---------- > Mr. BenDavid: > > You constantly refer to your keeping Torah. I thought one of the > most important aspects of this was the sacrifice of animals for your > sins. Do you still practice animal sacrifice?? > > ********************************* > * Yiri responds: > * WHERE do I constantly keep referring to MY keeping Torah? I've > * tried to be keep my discussions on the level of issues rather > * than what *I* do, etc. It seems to me that you and other Christians > * are simply desperate to change the subject and avoid the issues I > * keep repeating. I will not run off on another subject. Your failure > * to answer the assertions continues to reinforce both the findings > * of Bagatti and Parkes (and others of course) as well as the simple > * conclusions derived from those assertions. Stick to those issues > * rather than attacking me for typos when I answered a query about > * Mensa on another net, and similar drivel. Stick to the issue until > * you answer it (which is impossible because of historical documen- > * tation) or acknowledge it. What I do or do not do in no way affects > * the truth of the assertions and conclusions I've presented. When > * you get down to personal attacks and challenges to me, you're > * really showing your desperation. > ********************************** ---------- Hmm... Yes, Yiri, you have a point. I cannot recall any time at which you claimed that you, personally, do thus-and-so a thing. No argument there. However, and not wishing to change the subject or avoid any questions, it is significant that Christians frequently find themselves on the defensive (and perhaps deservedly so) because they themselves do not always do that which they claim others should do. Frequently in these cases, the whole of such a Christian's argument is dismissed because he cannot or does not "practice what he preaches." Hence, it is an interesting question, at least from an intellectual point of view. Do you practice the whole of the Torah? If not, there is at least historical precedent for telling you to take a hike. (No, I am not doing so, nor do I ever intend doing so.) If so, I wonder in all honesty how you manage it. -- >From the badly beaten keyboards of best address---+ him who speaks in *TyPe* f-O-n-T-s... | V Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus 614/860-5107 {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbrma!kk @ Ohio State University 614/422-0915 cbosgd!osu-eddie!karl *********************** * Yiri responds 12-05: * I don't find it significant what Christians do, therefore the 'hence' does * not follow. I think the answer to your question is in my earlier article * which you were commenting on if you will reread it carefully. I will say * that it is my opinion that one should give their best continuing effort * to keep all of Torah which is possible. Before one can do that, s/he has * to understand what that means. There are presently some pretty silly * discussions on this net about observing various parts of Torah. They * are silly because the contributors lack the necessary understanding of * Torah to know how they are to be applied, by whom, and in what circum- * stances. If they really wanted answers, they would be going to an * orthodox rabbi (to learn in humility rather than to preach and witness * as is all too often the pretense for visiting with a rabbi, etc.) * This is the suggestion for anyone who really wants to know. As for my * personal beliefs, practices, etc. they have no bearing on the veracity * of the information I've presented and no affect on the resolution of * those issues nor on the scholarly aspects of them. If your interest is * indeed scholarly as you claim rather than predaceous then you will * agree that it is best for all to stick to the scholarly aspects * with exceptions only for self-defense. I have at least stated that * I advocate the keeping of all of Torah and that Christianity is * a counterfeit. Where do you stand regarding these two issues? ***********************