alan@allegra.UUCP (Alan S. Driscoll) (08/26/84)
> Healthy: sex between a husband and wife. Period. No exceptions. > Not sex before marriage, outside of marriage, sex with children or > with animals. Not homosexual sex. Who says? You don't really need > to ask, I'll bet. [Paul DuBois] > In any event, what I object to is the idea that Christians are all > hung-up and inhibited in regard to sex, an unwarranted and > fallacious generalization. [Paul DuBois] These two quotes are actually from the same article! -- Alan S. Driscoll AT&T Bell Laboratories
holt@convex.UUCP (08/29/84)
#R:allegra:-273600:convex:45700019:000:693 convex!holt Aug 29 08:35:00 1984 >> Healthy: sex between a husband and wife. Period. No exceptions. >> Not sex before marriage, outside of marriage, sex with children or >> with animals. Not homosexual sex. Who says? You don't really need >> to ask, I'll bet. [Paul DuBois] > >> In any event, what I object to is the idea that Christians are all >> hung-up and inhibited in regard to sex, an unwarranted and >> fallacious generalization. [Paul DuBois] > >These two quotes are actually from the same article! > >-- > > Alan S. Driscoll > AT&T Bell Laboratories yet another example of the hypocrisy of the religious... thanks Alan! Dave Holt Convex Computer Corp. {allegra,ihnp4,uiucdcs,ctvax}!convex!holt
pmd@cbscc.UUCP (Paul Dubuc) (08/31/84)
} }>> Healthy: sex between a husband and wife. Period. No exceptions. }>> Not sex before marriage, outside of marriage, sex with children or }>> with animals. Not homosexual sex. Who says? You don't really need }>> to ask, I'll bet. [Paul DuBois] }> }>> In any event, what I object to is the idea that Christians are all }>> hung-up and inhibited in regard to sex, an unwarranted and }>> fallacious generalization. [Paul DuBois] }> }>These two quotes are actually from the same article! }> }>-- }> }> Alan S. Driscoll }> AT&T Bell Laboratories } }yet another example of the hypocrisy of the religious... }thanks Alan! } }Dave Holt Is there a contradiction? Are you guys implying that those of us who believe it is best to have sex only with one's spouse are hung up and inhibited? Now I'm *sure* no one has been peeking in our windows. :-) One of the most popular books on the subject is Tim and Beverly LaHaye's "The Act of Marriage". There are dozens of other Christian authored books in the same vein. Alan and Dave might want to check some of them out. They are clearly missing something here. Never gotten tired or bored with my wife ... I doubt I ever will. -- Paul Dubuc {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbscc!pmd The true light that enlightens every one was coming into the world... (John 1:9)
holt@convex.UUCP (09/07/84)
#R:allegra:-273600:convex:45700020:000:1736 convex!holt Sep 7 11:46:00 1984 > Gee Dave instead of you and Alan patting each other > on the back for nailing one of those religious hypocrites, > why don't you look up the definition of the word "hypocrite" > and then write to Paul DuBois and probe a little further into > what he means ? Who knows, we "hypocrites" might learn something. > > > Bob Brown {...ihnp4!akgua!rjb} The American Heritage Dictionary defines: hypocrite: A person given to hypocrisy. hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess. Bob, Although, I do not have any evidence which would support the notion that either you or Paul are hypocritical (as defined above) on this matter, I will bet you any amount you like that many, many, many, so called "Christians" do fit the above definition when it comes to infidelity in marriage. And, I will also venture that many, many, many of these same "Christians" condemn non-Christians for that type of behavior. It is for this reason that I feel "Christians" are hypocritical. I have spent alot of my life around religious people. I can only think of two of these people who I do not consider to be hypocritical in their professed beliefs and actions. That is much, much less than 1%. So, although it is a generalization to say that religious people are hypocrites, based upon my observations, they are. The worst thing about it is that they often seem to feel as if they are "better" than non-Christians. Foo! To be sure, non-Christians can be hypocrites too, but as a whole, they are less hypocritical, not being bound to profess some belief, whether or not they truly believe it. Dave Holt Convex Computer Corp. {allegra,ihnp4,uiucdcs,ctvax}!convex!holt
rjb@akgua.UUCP (09/10/84)
Dave,
>From a theological standpoint, all those "religious" people
you've been exposed to, let's assume that they were really
Christians. Before the Judgement seat of Christ we(they)
will stand some hard judgement as their works are burned up
before them because they damaged those weak in the faith or
ran off unbelievers like yourself by our hypocritical ( literally
in the Greek - acting in a play) behavior.
However, unbelievers sometimes use perfection as a standard to
measure Christians and then when they don't measure up they
condemn us as hypocrites. (I'm not accusing Dave Holt of this !)
The cliche still is true "Christians are not perfect, just forgiven."
Bob Brown {...ihnp4!akgua!rjb}pws@faron.UUCP (Phillip W. Servita) (12/05/84)
can someone please tell me what the heck Occams Razor is?
is it somehow related to Schroedingers Cat?
-the venn buddhist