[net.religion] Ba'hai response and questions

ellen@ucla-cs.UUCP (12/04/84)

[hail to thee, bugs of the watchtowers...]

when i was a kid (adolescent... about 14), and beginning my conscious search
along the paths of spirituality (as distinct from spiritualism :-), i came
across Ba'hai in a book writting by ?Leo Rosten?, something like that,
which sought to compare major religions in a non-judgemental way .  i no longer
remember the scope of the work, that is, whether or not it covered religions
outside the range of Judaeo-Christian-Islamic faiths.  

anyway, i was trying to see if there was a religion around which i could find
acceptable, one which DID NOT say, "only those who believe in MY GOD are right!"
of the MANY discussed in the book (after all, there are SO MANY different 
X-ian religions, each claiming to be the only one that's true/right)(and Judaism
was included, i just can't remember which others; Islam must have been), Ba'hai
seemed to be the best of the bunch because it didn't claim exclusivity to god
and accepted that there could be truths within the teachings of other previously
established religions.  this makes sense to me to a certain point.  there are
numerous books, for example those by catholics, often clergy, who have found
valuable teachings in Hinduism, Buddhism, for example.

Bah'hai still seems pretty good, from the above-mentioned Judaeo-Christian-
Islamic point of view, but my beliefs, [see previous comments i have made
regarding the position of the feminine within many establishment religions]
leads me to reject Ba'hai.  the prophets mentioned are all MALE. nothing against
men (i find them useful :-) but where are the spiritual WOMEN?  

the three above mentioned groups, and Buddhism and most forms of Hinduism put
the MALE at the pinnacle of spiritual life; the female is not as spiritually
advanced.  women are considered the cause of all sin by Christians; Jewish men
thank G-d that that they were not born female; Buddhists consider women unable
to reach release, because life in this wheel of suffering is born of the female
body, so women are obviously closer to suffering and causing it than men (be
good in this life and maybe in your next you'll get to be born a man); Islam so
obviously subjugates women, that i have a hard time being at all objective about
it in its most traditional/orthodox forms (Sufis seem to be better about it).  

so, what exactly is the position of Ba'hai about the place of women on its
spiritual path.  no nice, comforting remarks; give me some quotes out of the
basic texts that Ba'hais look to as guide-posts.

in the name of the Goddess in Her triple aspect, and the Horned One

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walker@noscvax.UUCP (Janet M. Walker) (12/06/84)

>so, what exactly is the position of Ba'hai about the place of women on its
>spiritual path.  no nice, comforting remarks; give me some quotes out of the
>basic texts that Ba'hais look to as guide-posts.
>where are the spiritual WOMEN?

From the Baha'i writings:

"Humanity is like a bird with its two wings - the one is  male,  the  other
female.  Unless  both  wings  are strong and impelled by some common force,
the bird cannot fly heavenwards.  According to  the  spirit  of  this  age,
women  must  advance  and fulfill their mission in all departments of life,
becoming equal to men.  They must be on the same level  as  men  and  enjoy
equal  rights.  This  is my earnest prayer and it is one of the fundamental
principals of Baha'u'llah."

"When men bring forward ...proof of their superiority  the  assertion  that
women have not achieved as much as men, they use poor arguments which leave
history out  of  consideration.  If  they  kept  themselves  more  informed
historically,  they  would  know  that  great women have lived and achieved
great things in the past, and that there  are  many  living  and  achieving
great things today."

"Women must go on advancing ; they must extend their knowledge of  science,
literature,  history,  for  the  perfection of humanity.  Erelong they will
receive their rights.  Men will see women in  earnest,  bearing  themselves
with  dignity,  improving the civil and political life, opposed to warfare,
demanding suffrage and equal opportunities.  I expect to see you advance in
all  phases  of  life;  then  will your brows be crowned with the diadem of
eternal glory."

"The world in the past has been ruled by force, and man has dominated  over
woman  by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body
and mind.  But the balance is already shifting - force is losing its weight
and  mental  alertness,  intuition, and the spiritual qualities of love and
service, in shich woman is strong, are gaining ascendancy.  Hence  the  new
age  will  be  an  age less masculine, and more permeated with the feminine
ideals - or, to speak more exactly, will be an age in which  the  masculine
and feminine elements of civilization will be more balanced."
                                                 Abdu'l-Baha
                               (son of Baha'u'llah - founder of Baha'i Faith)

There is much  more.  Equality  of  men  and  women  is  one  of  12  major
principals  of  the  Baha'i  Faith.  Also  the  elimination of ALL forms of
prejudice (sexual, racial, religious, ethnic, economic - you  name  it)  is
another.  AS  for  spiritual  women  -  there  are many.  Read the story of
Tahirih, the first 'suffragette'.  She publically removed her  veil,  among
many  other  things,  in  19th  century  Iran.  In fact, the thought of the
equality of men and  women  was  virtually  unheard  of  until  Baha'u'llah
proclaimed  it  in  the mid 19th century.  Look what's happened since! (You
don't have to be a Baha'i to be influenced by the principals  we  feel  God
has declared for this day!)
-- 
  Janet M. Walker                              MILNET/ARPANET: walker@nosc
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