yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) (12/02/84)
From gkm@ho95b.UUCP (gkm) Sun Feb 6 01:28:16 206 Subject: Re: Christians desecrate Sabbath, not keep it Lines: 8 Mr. BenDavid: You constantly refer to your keeping Torah. I thought one of the most important aspects of this was the sacrifice of animals for your sins. Do you still practice animal sacrifice?? Sincerely, Gary McNees ********************************* * Yiri responds: * WHERE do I constantly keep referring to MY keeping Torah? I've * tried to be keep my discussions on the level of issues rather * than what *I* do, etc. It seems to me that you and other Christians * are simply desperate to change the subject and avoid the issues I * keep repeating. I will not run off on another subject. Your failure * to answer the assertions continues to reinforce both the findings * of Bagatti and Parkes (and others of course) as well as the simple * conclusions derived from those assertions. Stick to those issues * rather than attacking me for typos when I answered a query about * Mensa on another net, and similar drivel. Stick to the issue until * you answer it (which is impossible because of historical documen- * tation) or acknowledge it. What I do or do not do in no way affects * the truth of the assertions and conclusions I've presented. When * you get down to personal attacks and challenges to me, you're * really showing your desperation. **********************************
karl@osu-eddie.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) (12/04/84)
---------- > Mr. BenDavid: > > You constantly refer to your keeping Torah. I thought one of the > most important aspects of this was the sacrifice of animals for your > sins. Do you still practice animal sacrifice?? > > ********************************* > * Yiri responds: > * WHERE do I constantly keep referring to MY keeping Torah? I've > * tried to be keep my discussions on the level of issues rather > * than what *I* do, etc. It seems to me that you and other Christians > * are simply desperate to change the subject and avoid the issues I > * keep repeating. I will not run off on another subject. Your failure > * to answer the assertions continues to reinforce both the findings > * of Bagatti and Parkes (and others of course) as well as the simple > * conclusions derived from those assertions. Stick to those issues > * rather than attacking me for typos when I answered a query about > * Mensa on another net, and similar drivel. Stick to the issue until > * you answer it (which is impossible because of historical documen- > * tation) or acknowledge it. What I do or do not do in no way affects > * the truth of the assertions and conclusions I've presented. When > * you get down to personal attacks and challenges to me, you're > * really showing your desperation. > ********************************** ---------- Hmm... Yes, Yiri, you have a point. I cannot recall any time at which you claimed that you, personally, do thus-and-so a thing. No argument there. However, and not wishing to change the subject or avoid any questions, it is significant that Christians frequently find themselves on the defensive (and perhaps deservedly so) because they themselves do not always do that which they claim others should do. Frequently in these cases, the whole of such a Christian's argument is dismissed because he cannot or does not "practice what he preaches." Hence, it is an interesting question, at least from an intellectual point of view. Do you practice the whole of the Torah? If not, there is at least historical precedent for telling you to take a hike. (No, I am not doing so, nor do I ever intend doing so.) If so, I wonder in all honesty how you manage it. -- From the badly beaten keyboards of best address---+ him who speaks in *TyPe* f-O-n-T-s... | V Karl Kleinpaste @ Bell Labs, Columbus 614/860-5107 {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbrma!kk @ Ohio State University 614/422-0915 cbosgd!osu-eddie!karl
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (12/04/84)
> Yes, Yiri, you have a point. I cannot recall any time at which you claimed > that you, personally, do thus-and-so a thing. No argument there. > However, and not wishing to change the subject or avoid any questions, it is > significant that Christians frequently find themselves on the defensive (and > perhaps deservedly so) because they themselves do not always do that which > they claim others should do. Frequently in these cases, the whole of such a > Christian's argument is dismissed because he cannot or does not "practice > what he preaches." > > Hence, it is an interesting question, at least from an intellectual point of > view. Do you practice the whole of the Torah? If not, there is at least > historical precedent for telling you to take a hike. (No, I am not doing so, > nor do I ever intend doing so.) If so, I wonder in all honesty how you > manage it. [KLEINPASTE] Anything to avoid answering Yiri's questions. That seems to be the rule here. No wonder he has to resort to "getting nasty". When you treat what someone says like garbage, when you ignore what he has to say, when you don't answer his questions, HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO REACT????? (Yes, I speak from experience, here.) Either provide reasonable counterevidence to what Yiri says or admit that, yes, he just might be right. Or would that be too much to ask? (Rhetorical question if ever there was one...) -- "So, it was all a dream!" --Mr. Pither "No, dear, this is the dream; you're still in the cell." --his mother Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
berger@aecom.UUCP (Mitchell Berger) (12/07/84)
> From gkm@ho95b.UUCP (gkm) Sun Feb 6 01:28:16 206 > Subject: Re: Christians desecrate Sabbath, not keep it > Lines: 8 > > Mr. BenDavid: > > You constantly refer to your keeping Torah. I thought one of the > most important aspects of this was the sacrifice of animals for your > sins. Do you still practice animal sacrifice?? The Torah commands us to sacrifice animals in the temple. It is prohibited to do so elsewhere; and we wouldn't be e. If the temple existed I would be practicing animal sacrifice. But once I butted in... Yiri, why can't you leave these people alone? Why are you starting an arguement on a subject that neither you nor they will in on? michab