[net.religion] Food on the table

dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (12/01/84)

> I don't know about Mr. Rosen, but I consider science to be reasonable
> because it *works*, not because of what any person says about it.
> Nothing in the bible has ever put more food on the table.  Agricultural

Malachi.
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Paul DuBois		{allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois

kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) (12/03/84)

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Pardon my ignorance, but what are "Malachi"?  One-word responses are
really not very enlightening...

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dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (12/05/84)

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> Pardon my ignorance, but what are "Malachi"?  One-word responses are
> really not very enlightening...

Sorry.  Malachi is one the "the twelve", i.e., one of the minor
prophets.  The reason for submitting his name was that the people of
Israel were starving (among other things).  Malachi delivered the
message that the reason was due to disobedience to God.
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Paul DuBois		{allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois

kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) (01/05/85)

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>> Pardon my ignorance, but what are "Malachi"?  One-word responses are
>> really not very enlightening...
>
>Sorry.  Malachi is one the "the twelve", i.e., one of the minor
>prophets.  The reason for submitting his name was that the people of
>Israel were starving (among other things).  Malachi delivered the
>message that the reason was due to disobedience to God.
>-- 
>Paul DuBois         {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois

The original challenge was to show an occurrence of God putting
(more/better) food on the table, not of God preventing any from
being available.

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dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (01/11/85)

> []
> >> Pardon my ignorance, but what are "Malachi"?  One-word responses are
> >> really not very enlightening...
> >
> >Sorry.  Malachi is one the "the twelve", i.e., one of the minor
> >prophets.  The reason for submitting his name was that the people of
> >Israel were starving (among other things).  Malachi delivered the
> >message that the reason was due to disobedience to God.
> >-- 
> >Paul DuBois         {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois
> 
> The original challenge was to show an occurrence of God putting
> (more/better) food on the table, not of God preventing any from
> being available.

I know.  The idea is the non-food on the table was due to disobedience
to God.  The implication is that obedience results in food on the
table (and that this situation was the antecedent of that during
which the people were starving).

Another example would be that of the prosperity enjoyed by Israel
during the reign of Solomon, resulting at least in part from the
relationship which his father David had with the Lord.

Is this any clearer?
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Paul DuBois	  {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois
								    |
"And the streets shall be full of boys and girls playing	  --+--
in the streets thereof..."					    |
				Zechariah 8:5			    |

kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) (01/16/85)

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>From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois)
>> []
>> >> Pardon my ignorance, but what are "Malachi"?  One-word responses are
>> >> really not very enlightening...
>> >
>> >Sorry.  Malachi is one the "the twelve", i.e., one of the minor
>> >prophets.  The reason for submitting his name was that the people of
>> >Israel were starving (among other things).  Malachi delivered the
>> >message that the reason was due to disobedience to God.
>> >-- 
>> >Paul DuBois         {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois
>> 
>> The original challenge was to show an occurrence of God putting
>> (more/better) food on the table, not of God preventing any from
>> being available.
>
>I know.  The idea is the non-food on the table was due to disobedience
>to God.  The implication is that obedience results in food on the
>table (and that this situation was the antecedent of that during
>which the people were starving).

The ability to prevent something is *not* the same as the
ability to cause it; the implication does not hold.  The
strongest interpretation I can make of the above example is
that the Israelites would have been able to feed themselves
if their God had not interfered, except their God was running
a protection racket (to extort obedience instead of money).

>
>Another example would be that of the prosperity enjoyed by Israel
>during the reign of Solomon, resulting at least in part from the
>relationship which his father David had with the Lord.

How do you know that it was not just that the God of the
Israelites left them well enough alone so long as their
king gave him his daily ego boost?

>
>Is this any clearer?

No.

>-- 
>Paul DuBois     {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois

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