mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (02/07/85)
In article <464@pyuxd.UUCP> Rich Rosen (Dinsdale Piranha) writes: >The fact remains that apparently Wingate still sees nothing wrong with the >proselytizing, though he "doesn't care" if they protest it. And the basis >for his seeing nothing wrong with the proselytizing is rooted in the mindset >of religious superiority. Come off it Rich; you don't seem to have any problems with your own promotion of your religious notions. Maybe I'm exceptionally dense, but I don't see what the problem is with believing that your opinion is correct, and with trying to convince others of it. And your cries of "manipulative proselytizing!" simply do not correspond to reality. What is so coercive about giving out leaflets (which is all that those evil Baptist have been accused of so far)? Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe
dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) (02/08/85)
[] Charley Wingate writes: >Maybe I'm exceptionally dense, but I don't see what the problem is with >believing that your opinion is correct, and with trying to convince others >of it. And your cries of "manipulative proselytizing!" simply do not >correspond to reality. What is so coercive about giving out leaflets (which >is all that those evil Baptist have been accused of so far)? Well, there's nothing wrong with trying to convince others of your opinion. But there is something wrong with doing it in a deceptive way, i.e. by misrepresenting what your opinion really is. For example, the original posting by Ari Gross said that there was an incident in which leaflets were handed out which had pictures of `great Jewish prophets', the last of which was Jesus. Now, you can claim that this was not meant as a deception, or that the people who handed out the pamphlet honestly believed that Jesus was a great Jewish prophet. I think that a better test of whether or not a deception is involved is to consider how the pamphlets would be interpreted by the average reader, i.e. as a claim that belief in Jesus' prophecy is consistent with the Jewish religion, and that they were handed out by a Jewish group. To put it another way, how do you feel about groups such as the Moonies who have been known to represent themselves as mainstream Christian groups when they look for new members? I don't know if it's necessary for me to say this, but of course I don't think violence is justified here. I also don't think think we can, in a free society, pass a law against something like this, just as I don't think we can pass a law against the New York Post being published. That doesn't mean that I think either of those things is very admirable (except for the sports pages).