black@nisysg.DEC (03/05/85)
To Rich Rosen:
Rich, if you fail to see the obvious, you're blind and stupid.{ :-) }
Now, in all seriousness, there is justification for armed revolution
when a government is abusive of the rights of men. Terrorism, however, has no
place in modern society, whether it's the bombing of a library in Torrence,
California, or the bombing of a marketplace in Cape Town, or the massacre of
civilians in a refugee camp in Beirut. There is no justification in any
revolution for the slaughter of innocent bystanders.
SWAPO is by there own admission a Communist organization. I have to
admit that one of the goals of Communism is racial equality. Assuredly they
intend to enslave Black and White equally. There is no intent in SWAPO to
combat racism, except to exchange white supremacy for black supremacy, which
should be equally intolerable to any reasonable person. I correspond with
several PEOPLE in South Africa, both Black and White, and not one of them
want to see SWAPO anywhere in Africa. In fact, the fiercest opponents of
SWAPO, and the strongest proponents of the South African regime, are the
Blacks who serve in the South African army.
Besides, the whole frappin' world knows that South Africa is a treasure
house of natural resources, and it is a target of the Soviet Union. The most
obvious way for the Soviets to take it over is to let the Africans kill each
other, and walk in after the shooting's stopped. It worked in Cuba, it worked
in Viet Nam, it's working in Central America, and it will work in Africa, too.
As far as Communism being part of the Antichrist conspiracy, I do believe
the answer to that is painfully obvious. As I have previously stated, there
were over 600 churches in the city of Moscow prior to the Bolshevik revolution.
Today there are less than 60. The American Communist Party was one of the
biggest contributors to the great atheist theologian, Madalyn Murray O'Hare,
during her vendetta to remove prayer from the government schools. (Let me
add a few more interesting statistics about the altruism of the Bolsheviks.
In the first 12 months of the Communist regime, they are known to have
murdered 31 bishops, 1650 priests and ministers, and over 2 million Chistian
lay people. How much more anti-Christ can a group be?)
And then there are those "Americans" who would want a Communist govern-
ment here in the US. I have an answer for them, but most people get squeamish
at the thought. I fear no man, and when I'm dead and buried, there's more like
me to take my place.
In Hoc signo,
Don Black
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rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Professor Wagstaff) (03/06/85)
>>Could you please explain why 1) it is the work of an "Antichrist organization" >>when racism is combatted? 2) it is a symptom of a world communist conspiracy >>when racism is combatted? I half expect an answer along the Arndtian terms >>of "If you don't know, you're blind and stupid", but I'd like to see some >>substantiation for this. [ROSEN] > Rich, if you fail to see the obvious, you're blind and stupid.{ :-) } [BLACK] ITYS. (Just when you thought it was safe to have a reasoned argument--- ARNDT II :-?) > Now, in all seriousness, there is justification for armed revolution > when a government is abusive of the rights of men. Terrorism, however, has no > place in modern society, whether it's the bombing of a library in Torrence, > California, or the bombing of a marketplace in Cape Town, or the massacre of > civilians in a refugee camp in Beirut. There is no justification in any > revolution for the slaughter of innocent bystanders. I would guess that includes firebombing abortion clinics and attempts to murder Supreme Court Justices (all, of course, in an effort to "preserve a right to 'life'"). But what of your answer to those who would disagree with you: > And then there are those "Americans" who would want a Communist govern- > ment here in the US. I have an answer for them, but most people get > squeamish at the thought. I fear no man, and when I'm dead and buried, > there's more like me to take my place. What is this "thought" that most people get squeamish at? Why are your postings so rife with hypocrisy and double standard? Considering that fact, and the sources you offer, little can be said in defense of your ridiculous propositions. > Besides, the whole frappin' world knows that South Africa is a treasure > house of natural resources, and it is a target of the Soviet Union. The most > obvious way for the Soviets to take it over is to let the Africans kill each > other, and walk in after the shooting's stopped. It worked in Cuba, it worked > in Viet Nam, it's working in Central America, and it will work in Africa, too. I'd think that it "worked" as a "tactic" (intentional or not---amazing how some people necessarily ascribe intention and purpose based solely on what they would like to believe) due to the "help" this country gave to make it become so. The most obvious way we can help the Soviets (obviously our rivals, but does that necessarily make them "evil"?) is to allow repression to perpetuate, to make sure that we are viewed in the eyes of repressed people as being allied with the repressors, and to act only once it's too late (and then by seeking to "restore order in our best interests"). This is politics and not religion. > As far as Communism being part of the Antichrist conspiracy, I do > believe the answer to that is painfully obvious. By assertion. > As I have previously stated, there > were over 600 churches in the city of Moscow prior to the Bolshevik > revolution. Today there are less than 60. The American Communist Party was > one of the biggest contributors to the great atheist theologian, Madalyn > Murray O'Hare, during her vendetta to remove prayer from the government > schools. (Let me add a few more interesting statistics about the altruism of > the Bolsheviks. In the first 12 months of the Communist regime, they are > known to have murdered 31 bishops, 1650 priests and ministers, and over 2 > million Chistian lay people. How much more anti-Christ can a group be?) Anti-Christian (and anti-religion) certainly. Precisely because Communism seeks to become the "new religion"---complete with a new bible, a new clergy, and a new church. YOU might prefer the old bible, clergy, and church. I'd prefer none at all. At least when it comes to being "in charge" of people's lives. Frankly, I'd expect negative propaganda from you about your rivals. One has to look beyond such stuff to see facts. -- Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) (03/06/85)
In article <888@decwrl.UUCP> black@nisysg.DEC spews pompous drivel like: > And then there are those "Americans" who would want a Communist govern- > ment here in the US. I have an answer for them, but most people get squeamish > at the thought. I fear no man, and when I'm dead and buried, there's more > like me to take my place. What is this crap doing in net.religion instead of net.politics? But there was one paragraph remotely related to religion. > As far as Communism being part of the Antichrist conspiracy, I do believe > the answer to that is painfully obvious. As I have previously stated, there > were over 600 churches in the city of Moscow prior to the Bolshevik revolution. > Today there are less than 60. The American Communist Party was one of the > biggest contributors to the great atheist theologian, Madalyn Murray O'Hare, > during her vendetta to remove prayer from the government schools. (Let me > add a few more interesting statistics about the altruism of the Bolsheviks. > In the first 12 months of the Communist regime, they are known to have > murdered 31 bishops, 1650 priests and ministers, and over 2 million Chistian > lay people. How much more anti-Christ can a group be?) It's people who believe in giant conspiracies who make up the armies of Ayatollahs and the like. They'll believe any yarn that is remotely plausible and ties in with their preconceptions. I've got some counterconspiracies for you to consider. I consider Christ to be the Anti-Zeus. Before AD, there were hundreds of active temples to the gods in Rome, and now there are none! Hey, and the Russians are the Anti-Mohammed also! There has been a great decrease in mosques in their moslem states, and they murdered lots of them too. Not to mention Afghanistan. It's all too typical that zealots of this sort call their narrow-minded parochialism and conspiracy theories "reality" and chide the rest of us for not having their "clear" (read: blinkered) vision. Yuck. There I've gone and flamed all over net.religion. I'm so ashamed. :-( -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh