mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (03/12/85)
In article <863@ames.UUCP> barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) writes: >> "They called to Lot, `Where are the men who came to you >> tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with >> them.'" (NIV) > It's less clear in other translations. The RSV says "And they >called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them >out to us, that we may know them.'". And the King James also says "know >them" rather than "have sex with them". A bit more ambiguous, I would >say. The verb "know" is the typical KJV euphemism for "have sex". Seeing as how the NIV is a fundamentalist bible, one would expect it to be more aggressive about bringing this point out. My Jerusalem has the following: Calling to Lot they said, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Send them out to us that we may abuse them." with the following note: The unnatural vice that takes its name from this incident was condemned by the israelites though it was common among their neighbors. However, underlying the story is a horror of the double offense of such behavior towards angels (as the "men" are revealed to be), and the breach of the law of hospitality would also be considered serious. This would explain why Lot would rather have them ravage his daughters rather than let them abuse his guests. Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe
ask@cbdkc1.UUCP (A.S. Kamlet) (03/15/85)
> The unnatural vice that takes its name from this incident was condemned by > the israelites though it was common among their neighbors. However, > underlying the story is a horror of the double offense of such behavior > towards angels (as the "men" are revealed to be), and the breach of the law > of hospitality would also be considered serious. > > This would explain why Lot would rather have them ravage his daughters rather > than let them abuse his guests. > > Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe Yes, that's how I learned it. The story of Lot's daughters is also interesting. Immediately after the destruction of Sodom, and Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt, Lot probably wasn't feeling too great. His daughters thought that the whole world had been destroyed, and that Lot was the last man on earth. To keep the human race going (they believed), they got him drunk and had sex with him. The child of the older daughter was Moab, the ancestor of Ruth, the ancestor of King David. -- Art Kamlet AT&T Bell Laboratories Columbus {ihnp4 | cbosgd}!cbrma!ask
root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) (03/17/85)
> Lot probably wasn't feeling too great. His daughters thought that > the whole world had been destroyed, and that Lot was the last man on earth. > To keep the human race going (they believed), they got him drunk and > had sex with him. The child of the older daughter was Moab, the ancestor > of Ruth, the ancestor of King David. Wait a minute. Wasn't Jesus related to David in some way, through (obviously) Mary? -- UUCP: ...{decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!seismo!trwatf!root - Lord Frith ARPA: trwatf!root@SEISMO "And Frith made the world"