[net.religion] Defaming the name of Cod

suki@reed.UUCP (Monica Nosek) (03/19/85)

Mr. Houts:
	I find your lack of faith disturbing.  Do you think
that your cheese songs are amusing?  I will admit that
"'Cheese is Nice' Superstore" is quite a catchy ditty, and
even well-written, but really, I think you should turn your
efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy
ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j.

			Indignantly,
				Monica
p.s.  I'm a Pisces--what are you?

fetrow@entropy.UUCP (David Fetrow) (03/21/85)

> Mr. Houts:
> 	I find your lack of faith disturbing. .... 
> 				Monica
> p.s.  I'm a Pisces--what are you?

  { This is about the cheese songs defaming the name of God }

 I wasn't aware Zeus, Athene, or the rest of the pantheon was defamed
in the cheese song. :-)

-- 
  -"Daphnia Dave" Fetrow
    Kludgemaster  of CQS

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teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) (03/21/85)

> Mr. Houts:
> 	I find your lack of faith disturbing.  Do you think
> that your cheese songs are amusing?  I will admit that
> "'Cheese is Nice' Superstore" is quite a catchy ditty, and
> even well-written, but really, I think you should turn your
> efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy
> ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j.
> 

	Just because one religion was attacked is no reason to attack
 another religion. Besides, why pick only on Judaism. There are many 
 other religions to write songs about. I am not advocating writing any
 songs, in fact none should be. But if you find your's attacked, attacking
 another is no answer.

				Eliyahu Teitz.

fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) (03/24/85)

>> Mr. Houts:
>> 	I find your lack of faith disturbing.  Do you think
>> that your cheese songs are amusing?  I will admit that
>> "'Cheese is Nice' Superstore" is quite a catchy ditty, and
>> even well-written, but really, I think you should turn your
>> efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy
>> ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j.

The song, "'Cheese is Nice' Superstore", does not make fun of Christianity.
It makes fun of a song about Christianity.  Not quite the same thing.
I would enjoy similar songs about Moses or Abraham.  But don't
put it in net.religion.jewish or you'll get flamed there, too.

I think the chief error here was posting it to "serious" newsgroups
(net.religion and net.religion.christian).  If the song were kept
in net.jokes, I don't think anyone would have minded.

	Frank Silbermann

john@x.UUCP (John Woods) (03/26/85)

> Mr. Houts:
> 	I find your lack of faith disturbing.  Do you think
		Isn't this a quote from Darth Vader? :-)

> p.s.  I'm a Pisces--what are you?
		Human (nominal, +- 10% at 25C).
-- 
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suki@reed.UUCP (Monica Nosek) (03/28/85)

In article <1304@aecom.UUCP> teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) writes:
>	Just because one religion was attacked is no reason to attack
> another religion. Besides, why pick only on Judaism. There are many 
> other religions to write songs about. I am not advocating writing any
> songs, in fact none should be. But if you find your's attacked, attacking
> another is no answer.
>
>				Eliyahu Teitz.

Oh, but Mr. Teitz, I agree.  Far from "picking on" Judaism
(you might like to look up Mr. Saal in n.r.j.--he makes a
great case for my virulent anti-semitism), I am repeating the
opinion expressed in a personal flame to Mr. Houts.  The author of this
flame was a Christian, and a very angry Christian at that.  I
certainly didn't get the impression from his letter that he
meant, "OK, stop picking on Christianity, but go rile those
Jews, hyuck, hyuck."  Rather, I think he was saying, "Writing
about Cheese in n.r.c is as offensive to me and other
Christians as your writing about Moses or Abraham in n.r.j.
would be to Jews.  In fact, you would be called anti-semitic,
which is very serious and nasty, if you were to do so.  If you
don't believe me, then try it and see what happens."  I
suppose I erred in not adding the final line of the letter to
Bill, which was something to the effect of "If you do, I hope
you get roasted right here like you deserve."
	As to attacking religion, Bill was not attacking
Christianity by writing the cheese songs; his crime was to
make some awful puns.  I personally found the cheese songs a
great deal of fun, especially after I got into the act and
came up with "'Cheese is  Nice' Superstore".  If you found the
cheese songs offensive, I hope you wrote Bill a long nasty
letter; he loves to get mail from faraway places.
	As for RETALIATING against other religions, I DIDN'T
find my religion attacked.  Right now, anyway, I'm pretty
much agnostic--actually, my ideas about God just don't exactly
fit into any organized religion at the moment, so I guess
agnostic is the wrong word.  
		Since you have misinterpreted my posting, I
can't really fault your argument too much.  You've reached a
conclusion from a given (wrong) set of presumptions.  OK.  But
you've taken seriously a posting with a subject line about
fish (no, I meant to say Cod, not God), a keywords line from
Bloom County, a first line from Star Wars, and a P.S. from
every singles bar in the world--"I'm a Pisces; what are you?"
I apologize for the lack of clarity.
	I refer you all to n.r.j. for Mr. Saal's posting.  The
subject line is "Another Don Black type"; it's easy to find.
Like I've said before, I'm sorry that my posting led to such
misunderstanding; I understand (vaguely) how you could have
taken it seriously (long day at the office, bad mood, witch
hunting) but even then I don't understand how you reached the
interpretation you did.  Ah well, one problem with the net is
that one can't very well explain each word with utter clarity.
	Please look again and think about the different
interpretations we have.  Who knows?  Maybe the originator of
the letter to Bill DID mean "stick to to n.r.j. rah, rah,
rah", but I doubt it.  I thought he misinterpreted Bill's
cheese songs, but he certainly made a good analogy by
suggesting that Bill post to n.r.j.  "This is one angry man,"
I thought.  "He really wants Bill to get in trouble."  Not "He
wants Bill, who he thinks is scum, to do him a favor and join
him in a bloodletting."
	I apologize for the misinterpretations, I apologize
for the misinterpretations, I apologize for the
misinterpretations.  Can I go now?  Perhaps you don't think
I'm serious.  I am.
		With one last apology for good measure,
		Monica
		...!tektronix!reed!suki
p.s.  I know you said that you didn't advocate the writing of
any more songs, but then, why did you include "Why pick only on
Judaism?  There are many other religions to write songs
about."?  I'm sorry that you feel that my "attack" singled out
Judaism for some evil purpose; what if I had said "Why don't
you write a ditty about the Koran and dump it in
net.religion.moslem"?  Since the point of the statement was to
point out to Bill how odious his statement was to Christians,
and not to advocate spreading Christianity by destroying other
religions with the computer terminal and rhyming dictionary,
it shouldn't really have mattered which religion I put there.
BUT...there was no such advocation inherent in the statement,
and certainly no slant against Judaism.