[net.religion] On not responding to IC

garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) (04/01/85)

OK, I am now convinced that I should not remain silent with
respect to certain recent postings regarding "Identity Christianity."
because of Laura Creighton's question concerning which issues
represented the greatest menace (if you don't know what I am alluding
to, don't worry about it; it's not essential to this article).
(Thank you, Laura).

You may ask, "Why didn't I reply earlier?"  I'll tell you.

First, once in a while I read an article which makes me think,
"This writer is going to get nailed for that one, and rightly so."
Such was the case with the IC article.  In such cases, I shake my
head in wonder at what some people will submit, apparently in all
seriousness, and watch the flames that ensue (since I am, apparently,
at the "edge" of the net, I usually see such flames the same day I
see the article which evoked them, and often I see the flames first.)
Usually, anything I would add would be superfluous at best.

Second, I really thought people knew enough about Christianity
to recognize such an obvious counterfeit.  (I should know better
by now -- particularly in this forum anything that claims to
be Christian is assumed to be so, no matter how outrageous.)
Really, doesn't someone who denies the holocaust adequately
refute himself?

Third, I have, and others have, on several occassions, said that
things like the inquisistion, the Salem witch trials, Nazism,
etc., etc., etc... were not Christian, despite claims to the
contrary.  We have not been believed; it therefore seems useless
to continue to say so.  I keep trying to think of a different
term to use besides Christian, since that one has been misused
to the point it is meaningless, but I haven't been able to.

Fourth, I didn't really take it seriously.  Not meaning that I
don't think the writer was sincere, but that I didn't really
think that such beliefs could represent a real threat any more
(once burned, twice warned, etc.).  In this I was wrong, and
apologize.  Many people in the 1930's, not wanting to believe
that anyone could be that rotten, didn't think Nazism was a
serious threat, either.  (Now someone will take me to mean that
IC == Nazism, to which I respond beforehand, I didn't say that;
I said that just as people didn't think Nazism was a threat, so
might IC be a threat even though some may not think so.)

Fifth (this may be a poor excuse, but I really feel this way),
I find net.religion to be an ever increasing weariness of the
soul to read, let alone respond to.  As such, I don't read
nearly as much of it as I used to, and plan to read even less
in the future.  In fact, I think I will unsubscribe (not for
the first time) later this week.  I don't have the time or
the patience to explain everything I say three or four times,
and finally be branded a liar anyway.  (I am not the only one
this happens to; I don't know how (or why) others keep putting
up with it.)

Having spent 50+ lines explaining why I haven't responded to
the articles about IC earlier, and why I have changed my mind,
let me now attempt to briefly explain what I think Christianity
is.  I think that will be easier than trying to list all the
things it isn't.  If that isn't sufficient, tough.

I shall narrow the topic by saying that I am going to try to
describe what might best be called New Testament Christianity;
i.e., Christianity as defined by the New Testament.  I don't
like the term "fundamentalist"; it has too many negative
connotations in the minds of too many people (including, to
some extent, me).  It's also too vague.  Limiting the discussion
to New Testament Christianity has the advantage that it
simplifies matters considerably; if it ain't in the book,
it ain't necessarily so.

According, then, to the NT, there lived a man named Jesus, of
the town of Nazereth, who preached a message which came to be
known as the "gospel," which means "good news."  He exhorted
people to repent of their sins, and to love one another, as
he himself loved them.  He claimed that he was the Messiah
of whom the prophets spoke; to substaniate this claim, he performed
many notable miracles.  He alone of all the people who have
ever lived committed no sin, neither in what he did, nor in
what he said.  Finally, because of his teachings, he was brought
to trial and condemned to death by crucifixion, though he was
not convicted of any crime.  Although he had the power to destroy
his accusers, he did not do so, thus giving his life freely.
Since he was without sin, his sacrifice was sufficient to atone
for the sins of all who would accept the gift of eternal life
he thereby purchased with his blood.  On the third day after his
death, he was raised from the dead to attest to the fact that
he had been made both Lord and Christ (Greek for Messiah).  His
apostles later (50 days after the resurrection) proclaimed this
message, calling on the hearers to repent and be baptized for the
remission of their sins.  Three thousand people accepted the
message on that day.

The above is a partial summary of the events up to and including the
second chapter of Acts.  The rest of the book of Acts describes
how the early church grew (by leaps and bounds), how the Gentiles
were accepted as equals in the church, albeit reluctantly on the
part of some, and how the church was persecuted in its infancy,
and how one of its most vehement persecutors (Saul, also known as
Paul) became one of its most vehement proponents.

The rest of the NT, except Revelation, consists of letters to
various churches and individuals, exhorting them to hold fast
to the message they received in the beginning, to accept one
another without showing partiality, either on the basis of race
or sex, and to care for one another in times of need, physical and
otherwise.  On the other hand, they were exhorted not to allow
anyone to pervert the message for their own gain, nor to live
in such a way as to bring reproach to the name of Christ.

The Revelation to John is John's record of a vision (or series of
visions) depicting the fight between good and evil, and the fact
that though it may appear that evil is winning, good will eventually
win, and sorrow and death will be no more.

I hope I haven't left anything essential out.  I also hope that
readers of this article will read the New Testament to verify
that what I say the New Testament teaches is really there.  I
further hope, but harbor no illusions, that having stated what
NT Christianity is, I won't be asked to state what it isn't.

Some people find the above objectionable.  There appear to be
several reasons for this.  First, the notion of God or miracles
or anything else supernatural is rejected out of hand by some.
No more need be said on this point.

Second, the concept of sin is likewise rejected out of hand
by others, who say that there is no such thing as absolute
right and wrong, and that therefore the idea of sin itself,
let alone having to atone for sin, is an absurdity.  Yet these
same people say that some things are morally wrong, absolutely,
if you ask the right questions.

Third, the Bible claims that Jesus alone is mankind's hope for
salvation (which I didn't make clear in the above summary); if
the word "alone" could be left out, it would upset fewer people.
But if it were possible to be saved without Jesus's death, then
he died for nothing.

Fourth, some people don't see the justice in the NT scheme of
redemption.  What does belief have to do with worth?  Nothing,
actually; the point is that no one is good enough to deserve
redemption (if they were, they wouldn't need to be redeemed).
If justice were the only consideration, all of us would be lost.
Not that we are such worthless creatures (after all, Christ
thought we were worth dying for), but that God is so far above
us.  (Of course, some people object equally to the notion that
there might be something or someone beyond our capacity to
comprehend.)

Finally, some people simply reject the NT account, saying
that it happened some other way, or not at all.  They would
like to see "unbiased" evidence.  Of course, anyone who believes
the NT is true is "biased," and no one who does not believe
the NT is true is going to present evidence to show that it is.

Gary Samuelson
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