[net.religion] net.real.evidence

hua@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA (Ernest Hua) (05/02/85)

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I would like to take a moment to point out to all of you something
which you have generally ignored with a handful of exceptions.

For those who keep asking questions of the type ... "Why should we
insist on scientific evidence for religious facts/theories/claims?"
... What other evidences could you possibly imagine?  Perhaps to
prove it to yourself, you do not need scientific evidence.  To prove
it to someone else is another matter.  If you were accused of murder,
would you insist on hard evidence?  Or would any evidence do?  What
if I decided that I would execute you simply on the basis of circum-
stantial evidence?  It is not simply for convincing yourself!  Yes,
Laura and Co., this means YOU.

If I want to convince you that I am a real person, rather than some
fictitious character made up by a bored hacker, I would present my-
self to you to prove this.  If not, I can send pictures, documents,
and other assorted goodies.  Could you accept it with only my words?
Maybe.  Maybe not.  Suppose I now say that I have a good deal for
you.  I have a mint condition Mercedes Benz for sale, and just for
YOU, I will move to price to $900 even.  Just send me the money, in
cash, of course, and I will personally drive the car to your door-
step.  You want proof?  But *I* am convinced.  *I* know that I have
the car ready for you.  Why do you question me?  Would you still
want proof?  So would I.
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Live long and prosper.
Keebler { hua@cmu-cs-gandalf.arpa }

teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) (05/03/85)

> ______________________________________________________________________
> If I want to convince you that I am a real person, rather than some
> fictitious character made up by a bored hacker, I would present my-
> self to you to prove this.  If not, I can send pictures, documents,
> and other assorted goodies.

	The problem with this is that those arguing against you claim that
 they have documents. You say these documents aren't what they claim to be
 but they do. They claim this as proof positive and you say it's fiction.

				Eliyahu Teitz.