rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Arthur Pewtey) (05/16/85)
> Bull paddies, Rich! The net is a limited bandwidth channel. There are many > limitations, chief among them the time that most of us can spend reading > netnews. Any individual can abuse the channel by flooding it with noise. > Noise, remember, is any unwanted signal energy or perturbation. What is unwanted about my postings? Who calls it abuse? A number of people have responded to things I've written, agreeing and/or disagreeing, whilst others are "offended" by these things. I don't think the tone reeks of abusiveness towards any individual or group, thus I must conclude that they are offended because they simply don't like what I say. > Fact is, Rich, you are loudly talking about how you can't stand hearing others > telling people what to believe and preaching tolerance yourself while flooding > the common medium with repeated slurs on other peoples' beliefs. "Slurs" are "insulting or disparaging remarks or innuendos". I have not made slurs. I have discussed perceived flaws in a belief system that some would foist on other people. In what way is my output "loud"? Do certain sensitive printers make more noise when a Rich Rosen article appears? > Even when > you are speaking in reasnable tones of voice, you are repeating the same > propaganda that you subjected us to the week before. Propaganda? Am I telling you how to live your life? Am I advocating impositional morality based on my perspective? Or am I suggesting a sort of tolerance of other people and respect for each individual that's SUPPOSED to be one of the roots of Christianity? Am I foisting my opinions, or am I complaining about those who do? Every time I speak out on such things as impositional morality, in these times, it is an act of self-defense! > Proclaiming your virtues while your actions contradict your words is a > powerful technique of propaganda: it is called The Big Lie. The USSR is > very good at it, and you are not half bad at it yourself. But we don't want > to know how well you present the Big Lie. We who use these groups for > their chartered purpose -- which is NOT prosthlytization, Rich -- we would > appreciate it if you were to stop prosthletizing for your own beliefs. "The Big Lie" technique is, in reality, the manipulative propagandistic technique of repeating a statement without supportive evidence enough times so that it is believed. An example of this would be to repeat several times in the same paragraph that *someone* *else* is engaging in Big Lie techniques so as to tar that person in an ad hominem fashion. Unless you have examples to support your claims, it is you who are using the technique, not I. And I sincerely apologize to everyone for "prosthletizing" the values of individual human dignity and rights above and beyond impositional morality. > In ``How To Win Friends and Influence People (Revised for the 80's) Dale > Carnagie's wife (who was responsible for the revision) tells about the time > that Dr. Martin Luther King publicly praised a black air force officer who had > just become the first black general in that branch of the armed forces. > Someone took him to task: how could a pacifist possibly praise a man who had > just gotten more authority in the waging of war? Dr. King replied ``I judge > men by their standards, not mine.'' Rich Rosen would do well to profit from > this great man's example. All you do is assign evil motives to those whose > beliefs differ from yours. Nice story. Let's judge Hitler by his standards, then. Let's judge those who would impose their beliefs on the rest of us by THEIR standards. I value my freedom too much to engage in such nonsense. You and Arndt should get together and talk about basing your lives on your perceptions of what "great men" do, carefully selecting the actions that support what you wanted in the first place. > In plain language: Stuff it, Rich. The last three words were perhaps the most cogent and literate of all of those in your entire article. They show your point of view for what it is: a crock. You don't like what I have to say? You and your friends can form your own country where people can only say what YOU like. Until you get to that level of achievement, respect other people's rights to speak. -- "Now, go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr