rjb@akgua.UUCP (R.J. Brown [Bob]) (08/06/85)
Paul Dubuc contributed this as part of his reply to Mr Martillo about the logical connection between Luther's hideous attitude toward Jews ( postulated cause ) and the Holocaust that occurred in Germany 450 years later (postulated effect). >>Also, I think Luther's opinion played a relatively minor part with Hitler >>compared to Nietzsche, for example (either directly, or indirectly through >>men like Albert Camus and Jean Paul Sartre). Also, where do you think >>Hitler got his ideas about eugenics and social Darwinism? Was that part >>of Luther's fundemental ideology? >> >>-- >> >>Paul Dubuc cbscc!pmd >> >> Remember that the Nazi hero Nietzsche was about as hostile an atheist as you could dig up back in the 19 th Century. Just for the record let's rerun some quotes that have appeared on the net at an earlier time to see where Hitler got his feelings about religion in general and Christianity specifically. MR ADOLPH HITLER SPEAKS ON RELIGION: "The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future - certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch, and annihilating it in Germany.... A German Church, a German Christianity, is distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both...." HOW ABOUT THE GERMAN FAITH MOVEMENT: Or from Professor Hauer, one of the three leaders of the German Faith Movement of the 30's and 40's: "We confess the primal religious will of the German people. Through this leadership we believe we can find the road to salvation (Heil) for ourselves and our people. ...The struggle between Christianity and the German faith in the German soul is thus an event of unexpected depth." And among the officially announced objectives of the GFM was: "Therefore necessarily the German Faith Movement denies Christianity. It rejects Christianity in every shape or form, because its fundamental principles contradict the laws of life of people and race, and are alien to what is intrinsically German." ************ Seems like these Nazis put in more time with Fuerbach and Nietzsche than they did at the foot of the Old Rugged Cross. Uh-HUH. Bob Brown {...ihnp4!akgua!rjb}
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (08/06/85)
> Remember that the Nazi hero Nietzsche was about as hostile an atheist > as you could dig up back in the 19 th Century. Just for the record > let's rerun some quotes that have appeared on the net at an earlier time > to see where Hitler got his feelings about religion in general and > Christianity specifically. [BROWN] Add hate to any mixture of ideas, good or bad, and something horrible is bound to come out. The fact that Hitler, a disturbed sick man who blamed his problems on an ethnic group, used ideas from other sources (like Darwin or Nietzsche) does not discredit those sources. A sick mind tends to warp even facts to its own ends. "To make a superior race, we can get rid of lowlife like Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals. Uh, what's that, where did I get the idea that these groups were inferior 'lowlife'? Uh..." > Seems like these Nazis put in more time with Fuerbach and Nietzsche > than they did at the foot of the Old Rugged Cross. Uh-HUH. See above. It seems that way to you in your aposteriori justification. -- Popular consensus says that reality is based on popular consensus. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
ess4hb@ihuxm.UUCP (m.p. cornell) (08/08/85)
> > > > Paul Dubuc contributed this as part of his reply to Mr Martillo > about the logical connection between Luther's hideous attitude > toward Jews ( postulated cause ) and the Holocaust that occurred > in Germany 450 years later (postulated effect). > > >>Also, I think Luther's opinion played a relatively minor part with Hitler > >>compared to Nietzsche, for example (either directly, or indirectly through > >>men like Albert Camus and Jean Paul Sartre). Also, where do you think > >>Hitler got his ideas about eugenics and social Darwinism? Was that part > >>of Luther's fundemental ideology? > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Paul Dubuc cbscc!pmd > >> > >> > > Remember that the Nazi hero Nietzsche was about as hostile an atheist > as you could dig up back in the 19 th Century. Just for the record > let's rerun some quotes that have appeared on the net at an earlier time > to see where Hitler got his feelings about religion in general and > Christianity specifically. > > MR ADOLPH HITLER SPEAKS ON RELIGION: > > "The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They > have no future - certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, > may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not > prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch, and > annihilating it in Germany.... > > A German Church, a German Christianity, is distortion. One is either a > German or a Christian. You cannot be both...." > > HOW ABOUT THE GERMAN FAITH MOVEMENT: > > Or from Professor Hauer, one of the three leaders of the German Faith > Movement of the 30's and 40's: > "We confess the primal religious will of the German people. Through this > leadership we believe we can find the road to salvation (Heil) for > ourselves and our people. > ...The struggle between Christianity and the German faith in the German > soul is thus an event of unexpected depth." > > And among the officially announced objectives of the GFM was: > "Therefore necessarily the German Faith Movement denies Christianity. It > rejects Christianity in every shape or form, because its fundamental > principles contradict the laws of life of people and race, and are alien > to what is intrinsically German." > > ************ > > Seems like these Nazis put in more time with Fuerbach and Nietzsche > than they did at the foot of the Old Rugged Cross. Uh-HUH. > > Bob Brown {...ihnp4!akgua!rjb} *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***