hua@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA (Ernest Hua) (05/31/85)
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Mr Don Black,
Glad to see you're still posting to Usenet though you have yet to read any
of the responses and answer the questions directed at you. Your attitude
is basically this:
"You Walter Mondale-supporting, communist, pinko, subversive, homosexual,
aids-infested, IQ-10, bed-wetting, masturbating, shit-eating, democrat-
voting, fem/gray/queen/fairy/sammy, bloody-rectummed fudge packer! Move
to the USSR if you don't love the USA!"
Now before you post more of your redneck/ultraconservative/ultrafundamentalist
crap, how about a little reading of what readers have posted in response
to your sick literature. Contrary to your blinded beliefs, there is no
great "secret communist/secular humanist infiltration of the United States".
It's paranoia like that that will start Inquisition '85 and WWIII.
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Keebler { hua@cmu-cs-gandalf.arpa }george@sysvis (09/24/85)
/***** net.flame / decwrl.UU!black / 1:34 pm Sep 19, 1985 */
Some of you more recent readers of the various nets may be wondering
why Oded Feingold et alia are all over my case. It's obvious from some of
my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, and
that I have all but declared war on the ADL/JDL and their minions. It
should also be obvious that there is bad blood between me and the
International One-World-Government Communist conspiracy. And I also
believe in America First--Without Apology. These four things are usually
enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits. (I shouldn't
generalize like that. There are exceptions.)
The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my
religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and
simple.
Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The
two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity
says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the
direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Identity believes that
the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full
force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them. We also believe that
the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy.
Judaism, on the other hand, believes that the Jews are the descendants
of the Israelites, the keepers of the Law and covenants, the Chosen People,
etc., and that the Israeli UN Protectorate is the Promised land. Now do you
see the source of the friction?
So how widespread is this concept? The Mormons and the Worldwide Church
of God are both considered Identity religions. And they are just the
beginning. Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman
Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. We just go to church on Sunday and
blend in with the rest of the Alka-seltzer Christians (you know---they
go to church and fizz for an hour. Then they forget what they heard for
another week). There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned
by us moderates.
Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti-
semetic, etc. ad nauseam. Well, let's debunk that rumor. A Nazi is first
and formost a Socialist, more of a Communist than anything else. (Notice
that all my detractors had to give up calling me a Nazi. They knew that
they were so full of s___ that their eyes were brown.) The term "anti-
semite" is a term the Jews love to use. Most people do not understand
that the Jews are not the only Semite people on the planet. Most of the
others are ARABS. (Try telling an Arab that he's an antisemite.) Ahhh,
so Identity MUST be racist. It's the only thing left. Well, yeah, OK.
Maybe. Tell me, if Christians claiming to be the Chosen People are
racists, then howcome Jews who make the same claim are not? Howcome
only one little group of 13.5 million are authorized the claim, and
groups of a billion Christians and a billion Moslems are not allowed
to dispute it?
Is White Christianity the "master race?" Hell, no! The other peoples
of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam. They
were here first, and they were given their own lands. It is not up to
Israel or Esau to take those lands. (Isreal and Esau, as used here, are
the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.) Besides, Christ tells us
that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him. So who are
we to say that one race is better than another?
Identity is basically a study of anthropology and geneology. We know
from secular history that the Israelites departed Palestine and fled into
the Caucasus Mountains (hence the term "Caucasian" to describe a person who
is of the "White" race). From there, they scattered throughout Europe.
Various historical evidence, including ancient legends, trace the Israelites
into the British Isles ("Br'th" and "Ish"---"Men of the Covenant") and
into Ireland, among other places. A group of them ended up in "Dansmark."
The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely
blind as to who they were, that they would speak with stammering tongues
(the most difficult language on Earth is English), and that they would be
called by a different name. All other scriptural prophesy will apply
only to the true Israel.
Now, tell me, how can the Jews claim to have forgotten that they
were Israelites? Have the Jews had their name changed? Are the Jews as
numerous as the stars in the sky? No, my dear people, the Jews have
very little claim to Chosen status.
Of course, it's acceptable for every other People on this Earth to be
able to trace their roots and history back 5,000 years. But it is never
ever acceptable for a Caucasian to do the same thing.
Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if
the US really were a Christian Nation?" Originally, it was. Our laws
were based on the concepts of Mosaic law of the Old Testament. But then our
government was corrupted by the same Purveyors of Usury that were con-
demned by Christ as the Sons of Satan. So now we're right back where we
were just before the Captivity and banishment. We worship Baal and the
Golden Calf at the altars of Mystery Babylon the Great, according to the
Traditions of the Elders. Boy, are we going to get our peepees whacked
this time!
So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the
names they want. They have no other choice but to do so.
--Don Blackgeorge@sysvis (09/24/85)
[...] Good discussion, Don Black. It does the "jew" well to remember that "Judah" was only one of the (smaller) tribes of Israel (and that the Bible clearly distinguishes Judah and Israel in prophecy). You have summarized your position quite well, but to those who would like to hear more about these concepts you are opening discussion on, it would be nice to give some hard references for your material. I'm sure that a lot of the readers would like to decide for themselves whether those things you say are actually of history or of your own fantasy. As a practi- cing member of the Christian Identity group, could you also give some infor- mation about where the more readily available information is to be located? Lastly, I personally feel that this discussion should be in net.religion rather than in net.flame. Anyone else wish to comment on this? By the way, do the etymologies of the words "semite" and "samaritan" (via Shem) correspond in any way that is verifiable or reasonable? Are you say- ing than "Dansmark" was of the tribe of Israel called "Dan"? Why?
george@sysvis (09/25/85)
[...]
For any of those who are interested, the American Heritage Dictionary (not
the small ones, the largest one) has in the back of it an interesting chart
which outlines the development of different languages from an old (and now
lost) tongue called Proto-Indo-Eoropean. If one will look carefully at
this chart, it seems that Mr. Black's descriptions of the wanderings of the
Israelites may not be far from correct. As each modern language chases its
roots down this development tree, it is easy to see that, if the assumption
is made that the original Israelites spoke and wrote in this old Proto-Indo-
European tongue, that Mr. Black could possibly be stating the absolute truth.
Mr. Black's derivation of Br'th-Ish as "Men of the Covenant" makes a great
deal of sense, if one is studying the languages and their origins. Are any
of you well versed enough in ancient history to confirm or deny this as a
hypothesis? By the way, what does the jewish group name "B'nai Br'th" mean?
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Do any of you have further information on this that you will share?
...!ihnp4!sys1!sysvis!georgesteiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) (09/28/85)
> > [...] > For any of those who are interested, the American Heritage Dictionary (not > the small ones, the largest one) has in the back of it an interesting chart > which outlines the development of different languages from an old (and now > lost) tongue called Proto-Indo-Eoropean. > if the assumption > is made that the original Israelites spoke and wrote in this old Proto-Indo- > European tongue, that Mr. Black could possibly be stating the absolute truth. > ----- > Do any of you have further information on this that you will share? > The Jewish people have a long history. The Old Testement was preseumably written by Jewish people. The whole thing about the covenant is in the old Testement and otherwise it is undefined. The Old Testement was NOT written in an Indo-Euorpean language. The assumption that the Israelites spoke an Indo-Euorpean tounge is contrary to enormous evidence. The Indo-European invasion (sort of migration) had distinct boundaries, the name, "Indo-European" describes those boundaries. The Indo-Europeans only got as far as Iran. They pushed down most of the way through India. That was the furthest East they got. This took place about the same time as the earliest books of the Old Testement were written. Later books of the old Testement, for instance, Job, make reference to Satan, a concept that the Jewish people borrowed from the Indo-Euorpeans. This was not until nearly the time of Christ. When the earlier books of te Old Testement were written the Jewish people had never had any contact with Indo-Europeans They did and still do spoke an completely different language from a completely different language group than the Indo-Europeans.