[net.philosophy] Goedel's theorem revisited

ellis@flairvax.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (07/17/83)

	I repeat Krzysztof's apology to this newsgroup,  but  perhaps  this
    discussion really belongs not in net.math, but in the nonexistent
    net.metaphysics. I would have sent this to net.religion, were it not
    for the insane raving there.

        Many people (including myself) are guilty of  applying Goedel's
    theorem where its use is totally unjustified.

	For centuries, our computationally-oriented culture  seems  to
    have  believed that everything in the universe (if only in theory) can
    be expressed in rigorous mathematical language, with a fair amount of
    success,  I  might  add.  This seems to be THE durable religion in the
    occidental world.

        It's clear that once a phenomenon has been shown to be  a  'formal
    system'  (even  if  all the details are not known), the full force of
    Goedelian arguments may be brought into play.

	Does anyone know whether the implications of quantum mechanics
    preclude the possibility of the universe being a 'formal system' ?

-michael