[net.philosophy] TC's altruism

trc@houti.UUCP (07/21/83)

Several people have asked me why my definition of altruism seems to be 
different from the commonly accepted one.  How many of you that accept
the equation of "altruism == benevolence" have considered *your* reasons
for accepting that equation?  It was suggested that perhaps there is some
commonly used word that better describes the concept that I call altruism.
There is not - in common usage, the term altruism been watered down from 
its full meaning, but altruism is still *practiced* in the full sense, 
(though inconsistently, since that is the only way it can be practiced
by humans).

The full, real meaning of altruism is explained in the following quote from 
Ayn Rand's "The Virtue of Selfishness":
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"There are two moral questions which altruism lumps together into one 
"package deal": (1) What are values? (2) Who should be the beneficiary
of values?  Altruism substitutes the second for the first;  it evades
the task of defining a code of moral values, thus leaving man, in fact,
without moral guidance.

Altruism declares that any action taken for the benefit of others is good,
and any action taken for one's own benefit is evil.  Thus the beneficiary
of an action is the only criterion of moral value - so long as that
beneficiary is anybody other than oneself, anything goes."
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Lest anyone doubt that the above is the primary system of morality in 
practice, (as well as being given lip service) consider most of the things
government concerns itself with these days - welfare, foreign aid, regulation
of business (for the benefit of consumers), etc.  All are justified on the
basis that it is moral to tax people for these things, because they serve 
the needs of others.  Consider what most Christian churches preach - that 
one is naturally a "sinner" (IE selfish), and one can only achieve salvation 
by a undeserved *gift* from God, and that that God declares that we are only 
good when we do good for others.  Consider what every graduating student 
hears in the commencement address - that he or she can have no higher 
aspiration than to go out into the world and serves others - that that is 
the moral purpose for life.  Consider who our society praises, and who it 
condemns - it praises those that help the weak and poor, and condemns those
that seek to improve their own condition in life above that of other people.

So what is wrong, beyond its poor foundation, with such a moral system?
Again, I quote Ayn Rand, from "The Virtue of Selfishness":
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"Observe what this beneficiary criterion of morality does to a man's life.
The first thing he learns is that morality is his enemy: he has nothing
to gain from it, he can only lose; self-inflicted loss, self-inflicted pain
and the gray, debilitating pall of an incomprehensible duty is all that he
can expect.  He may hope that others might occasionally sacrifice themselves
for his benefit, as he grudgingly sacrifices himself for theirs, but he knows
that the relationship will bring mutual resentment, not pleasure - and that
morally, their pursuit of values will be like an exchange of unwanted,
unchosen Christmas presents, which neither is morally permitted to buy for
himself.  Apart from such times as he may manage to perform some act of
sacrifice, he possesses no moral significance: morality takes no cognizance
of him and has nothing to say to him for guidance in the crucial issues of
his life; it is only his own person, private, "selfish" life and, as such, it
is regarded either as evil or, at best, *amoral*."
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That is what altruism is all about.  Ask yourself "WHY should 'benefiting
others' be a sufficient condition for an action to be moral?".  I know
that it seems "obvious" to most people - it certainly did to me.  But I 
found that when I tried to make it explicit, I could find NO BASIS IN REALITY 
for it.  I had been taught the precepts of altruism all my life, and had 
accepted them so completely that they seemed natural.  In fact, the only 
way that such a moral system can be justified is by an appeal to mysticism - 
to some supernatural power that has the power and right to require that 
it be correct.  

For those of you who believe that such an entity exists (God, Allah, whatever), 
consider - what kind of a god would make an inconsistent universe, in which 
it is un-natural for people to be good (by the altruistic standard)?  
Benevolent or malevolent?  Wouldnt the standard of altruism require that the
god make the universe as rewarding a place to be moral as possible, if morality 
is good for people?  And the same goes for people - why make it natural for 
them to desire to help themselves, rather than at least indifferent to 
whether they helped themselves or others (which would make "free will choice" 
on the matter of "sinning" more realistic.)?


	Tom Craver
	houti!trc

pmd@cbscd5.UUCP (07/21/83)

I don't think that Tom Craver's reduction of Christian teaching to
altruism can be so easily done.  Christianity is not purely altruistic.
Sure it bids man consider himself a fallen sinner, but it also commands
him to do something about it.  I cannot say that I accept Christianity
purely for God's benefit (What does it benefit an omnipotent God that
I submit to him?) or the benefit of others.  Much blessing and reward
is given and promised.  There is a delicate balence in biblical teaching
between altruism and self esteem.  Many who are Christians justify their
selfishness and materialism with Scripture. (Haven't you heard Oral Roberts
preach?).  Others categorically condemn anything that benefits self.
Both positions are out of balence bibically.

Although pure altruism may not work for the individual in society, pure
selfishness doesn't work either.  Ayn Rand's gospel of selfishness cannot
be accepted by everyone.  Can you imagine everyone in society being a
"Howard Roark"? (as in "The Fountianhead")

Paul Dubuc

hutch@dadla-b.UUCP (07/22/83)

In reply to Tom Craver on Altruism -

Tom, you weaken your argument (which is interesting but holds several fallacies)
by attributing qualities to Christianity which are NOT there.

I quote:

	Consider what most Christian churches preach - that one is 
	naturally a "sinner" (IE selfish), and one can only achieve 
	salvation by a undeserved *gift* from God, and that that God 
	declares that we are only good when we do good for others.  

Your quote contradicts itself.  I will delve very briefly into the theology
you misinterpret.

Sin is not "selfishness".  Sin is rebellion against God, who is understood by
Christians (whether you LIKE the notion or not) to KNOW what is the best thing
for each person, and to desire that each person HAS this thing.  By rebellion
one ABANDONS selfishness in its only positive form.

The statement that God declares us good only when we do good for others
directly contradicts the first half of the sentence, wherein you correctly
state that salvation is achieved by an undeserved GIFT.  The only thing which
Christians believe God to have said, regarding what He considers good, is
that NO man is good, unless the rebellion (sin) has been repaired by the
willful acceptance of the gift of salvation.

You make similar generalizations about government, the institutions of
higher learning, and "society in general".  These are incomplete generalizations
(which is my primary gripe with them) and the qualities you selected are
offset by other factors.  For instance, although there is a strong push in
universities reminding people to be of service to others, the subject matter
and attitudes of (in my experience) the majority of teachers and schools in
a given university also emphasize maximizing personal gains.

AS for the other fallacies:

Benevolence does not exclude doing things to one's own benefit.  It does
seem to exclude doing things to one's own benefit when those things are
to the immediate detriment of others.

Altruism as a PHILOSOPHY may correspond to Ayn Rand's definition, but as
an adjunct to a system where morals are in place, it becomes an important
and useful tool.  Clearly it is insufficient in itself to define morals
since the definitions of benefit and detriment can, for any person, only be
based on their own experience, and this is clearly both incomplete and
unreliable without an externally supplemented set of definitions (which are
a major part of a set of moral values).

Benefit to others was NEVER sufficient condition for any action to be
considered moral.  Nor is benefit to SELF, since there is no way to tell
whether any given act is, in the long run, beneficial or detrimental to
oneself.  The assertion that either is sufficient has not been made, and
to try to refute morality (which is heuristic in practice) on the basis
of that assertion is called a "straw man".

As for your assertions about a Creator, how would you the creation be able
to judge the consistency of the creation?  You can clearly discern APPARENT
contradictions.  However, unless you can encompass the whole of creation
you cannot determine its consistency.  Since your "contradictions" with
regards to altruism are largely due to your definition of those concepts,
it is invalid to try to apply them to the universe at large.

In conclusion, your argument stems largely from a tendency to try to take
a complex and fuzzy notion, to strip away those parts of it which you
decide are not relevant (thereby introducing contradiction), and then
to use that introduced contradiction to try to confute other, unrelated
assertions.

Lest it seem that I am trying to roast you over a high flame, be assured
that I found it very hard to find the weaknesses in your argument.  The
depth of thought and deliberation is somewhat above the majority of the
submissions.  I will probably enjoy your rebuttal if it is as good as
the oroginal.

Steve Hutchison
Tektronix Logic Analyzers

dr_who@umcp-cs.UUCP (07/24/83)

Well, I checked two (out-of-date) dictionaries so far on "altruism," and one
agreed with Tom and the other with me.  The former said altruism was
sacrifice of self in the interests of others; the latter said it was regard
for the interests of others (not necessarily EXCLUSIVE regard, mind you).  
Neither one said anything about moral beliefs being necessary for altruism.

I wish Tom would reply personally to my altruism article of July 18th.
Particularly:  "Objectivism says (doesn't it?) that the ONLY REASON to care 
for others is to get benefits for oneself."

Anyway, quibbling over words is pointless.  Does Tom have anything against
altruism-Torek-style (roughly equivalent to benevolence)?  Let me say that 
I AGREE that altruism-Craver-style is a bad thing!  And OK, it's not entirely 
a straw man, insofar as some people actually do think that way.

Just what do we disagree about?

Why do you insist on your definition, Tom?  Won't you allow us the
possibility of a middle ground between selfishness and True Altruism?  Let 
me outline my own position to give you an example (not the ONLY example!).

I'm a Utilitarian with some difference from Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart
Mill.  My version of Utilitarianism is close to that advocated by Richard
Brandt in *The Theory of the Good and the Right*, although we hold the same
view for different reasons.  Utilitarianism is an unfortunate name; a better
one might be Universalism.  The way I see it, Utilitarianism is the
combination of two views.  First, the only intrinsically valuable things are
those that constitute the welfare or happiness of beings.  Second, the right
thing to do is to try to maximize the total happiness or welfare of all
beings; the welfare of every individual should count equally in the "utility
function".  The second principle essentially says that one should care BOTH
for oneself and for others.  One way to explain this is to say that a
selfish person, who knew that he would have to live each and every life in
the history and future of the universe, would act like a Utilitarian.

Variations on Utilitarianism are possible depending on what is specified as
constituting an individual's welfare, and on how one should try to maximize
this welfare.  Also, just how wide is the class of beings whose welfare
counts.  Some say only those in your society, others say humans, others 
(including myself) say all sentient beings.

Let me repeat that one need not be a Utilitarian to refuse to choose between
the extremes of Objectivism or True Altruism.  I only described that position 
because I hold it and because it is a simple example.  The basis in reality
for my own position is that others are just as real as you, and their good
and bad experiences are just as important as yours are.

--Paul Torek, U of MD College Park