[net.philosophy] mysticism revisited

laura@utcsstat.UUCP (08/17/83)

If mysticism is to  be avoided, how does one come to terms with the flashes
of intuition that characterise the understanding of new things? They seem
rather similar in nature to some of the 'revalations' of the mystics, and
also rather contrary to socially accpetable belief in the rational.
The slow, plodding thinker may actually use reason to aquire knowledge, but
many of the men considered to be most 'rational' seem instead to be posessed
of a keen intuition.

laura creighton
utzoo!utcsstat!laura

myers@uwvax.ARPA (Jeff Myers) (08/21/83)

Laura brings up the interesting point about the role of intuition in
otherwise 'rational' minds.  The usual non-mystical answer which is given to
her question is that intuition is simply a faster-than-light burst of
sub-conscious rational thought.  Suddenly all the pieces of a problem fit
together when one has all the data and it's churned around in the noggin for
a while.

Jeff Myers@uwvax

laura@utcsstat.UUCP (Laura Creighton) (08/22/83)

If you posit a non-mystical solution to where does intuition come from
(actually, mysticism is very complex, and it is misleading to talk about
"the one true mystical solution") does it help? If I am still dependant
on all the crud in my subconcsious making its way to the surface at
FTL speeds, can I be rational? How can i build a model of all the
stuff in my subconscious? Even *exploring* it is difficult! Do i have
to wait for revalation? What if it never comes? How is this revalation 
different from "standard mystical revalation" in terms of the ability to
act rationally?

laura creighton
utzoo!utcsstat!laura

myers@uwvax.ARPA (Jeff Myers) (08/24/83)

OK, I'll play devil's advocate in the intuition vs. rationality debate;
I did the same with a rather thick-header prof as a freshman.

Arguments postulating that intuition is merely speedy, subconscious rationality
is essentially founded in a presumposition (sp?) that the mind is simply an
incredibly complex machine.  I.e., with a sufficient knowledge of how neurons
work, DNA, ad infinitum, we could design a Turing machine which would perform
in the same manner as a given human brain.

At this point in human knowledge, we must take one or the other side of the
issue essentially on faith.

Jeff Myers@uwvax