[net.philosophy] acid rain and morality

trc@houca.UUCP (T.CRAVER) (09/01/83)

Response to Ed Pawlak:

Your example is an interesting one - and I agree that it is a fair
example of the sort of moral questions that do arise in real life.

First, let me say that any action that Bud Wiser *must* take is
only on the basis of respecting others' rights.  This is the point
on which you, implicitly, seem to be in err: you state the problem
in terms of morality (respecting other's rights) VS rationality.
I claim that it is rational to respect the rights of another.  There
are conditions under which they give up part or all of their rights
(such as when they try to violate yours), but this does not apply
in the example that you gave.  (Nor do lifeboat considerations of
"them or me", as you correctly stated.)

If Bud knows that he is indeed violating the rights of certain
people, he should seek to repair the damage done, and either do his
part to prevent the conditions that led to the damage from recurring,
or else make other arrangements satisfactory to all concerned.

Specifically, he might offer to pay what he considers to be his fair
share of repairing damage to statues, or damages done to recreational
lakes, etc.  In order to prevent future damages, he might offer to
pay his share to help protect the things that were damaged before.
He might also seek to find a solution to the problem, if that were
possible.  (Perhaps there is some cheap way to buffer or neutralize 
the pollution coming from his chimneys?)  This latter is not required,
if the people have agreed to accept payments for futuer damages done.
It might be a wise business move, to prevent large damages in the future.

And if Bud happens to be a champion of rights, he might even go so
far as to help the injured parties get satisfaction from the other
manufacturers in the area - by law suit if necessary.  Again, this
is not morally required, and need not be altruistically motivated - 
he could simply dislike seeing people's rights violated.  Similarly,
even if he is not morally required to repair the damage and clean
up the air, he might *desire* to do so.

And there is one other point that needs to be made:  If Bud was there first, 
and has always been polluting, he effectively established a property right to 
the use of the air and land surrounding for the purpose of dumping his acids.  
This sounds "harsh" on the other people, but in fact, it is just.  Justice is 
not always pleasant for all that are involved.  Had the damage been greater, 
the people would not have moved into the area.  In fact, air pollution has 
been around for a long time, and people moving into the area of a factory 
should be aware of it.  If this is the case, people's property rights are not 
being violated any more than those of someone who drops money into his 
neighbor's fireplace.  The principle is the same.  Because the principles of 
establishing property have not always been extremely precise in the past, 
there are probably cases where there are conflicting claims (such as to air, 
where the residents have been there as long as the factory, which has slowly 
become a worse polluter).  This makes the matter as complex as it is.  The 
only solution would seem to be to try to first make the property rights 
precise, and then make a decision on that basis.

And finally, if it turns out that the manufacturer is totally within his 
rights, but there turns out to be some economical solution (that costs far 
less than the damages, say), the injured people might make arrangements 
with the manufacturer to implement that solution - if it involved pollution
control for example.  The manufacturer might go along with this for public 
relations purposes, or even on a profit basis if he wished.  He would not 
be morally obligated to do so.

The above are my opinions - but I may not have covered all cases that 
should be covered.  I hope that this example does at least give you an 
idea of the type of considerations that a person should rationally make.

	Tom Craver
	houca!trc

sts@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stanley T Shebs) (09/05/83)

"Property rights to the surrounding air"!?!  How far does that extend?
Do smelters in Ohio own the air in Canada??  Or should the smelter
operators pay the Canadian Indians, since they were there first?
Sorry Tom, your answer is just a bit fantasical to go with the problem.

But let's get more realistic anyway!  Suppose ol' Bud Wiser doesn't
believe that acid rain causes damage, and he has a zillion studies
by various scientists to prove that it's harmless.  Then a government
report comes out stating that acid rain has proved to be dangerous.
What's poor Bud to do?  He's never seen acid rain cause any damage
himself, and now people are claiming that he doesn't know reality!
Can he claim that they don't know what reality is?  Where's the judge
that will decide what the *real* and *absolute* reality is?

					stan the l.h.
					ssc-vax!sts (also utah-cs!shebs)