[net.philosophy] failings response

trc@houca.UUCP (09/21/83)

A response to Larry Cipriani's note: (Rand's failings)

Mr. McKiernan suggests I owe the net an apology for saying
	"I hope that Mr McKiernan is not making the mistake of
	accusing others with differing views of being closed-minded
	simply because he is not able to convince them."
And equates this with:
	"I hope that Mr Craver is not making the the mistake of 
	accusing women who reject his propositions with being
	sexually dysfunctional simply because he is unable to 
	seduce them."
The two are not comparable for several reasons:  mine was relevant to the 
context of discussion;  Mr McKiernan had accused Objectivists of being 
closed-minded - I have not accused any women of being sexually dysfunctional;  
He apparently has tried to convince Objectivists to his point of view - 
Mr. McKiernan certainly has no evidence that I have attempted to "seduce" women.   
As for Mr. McKiernan's points:
1.) Rand's imputing of foul motives:  If he means their claimed purposes 
of action, yes, Rand does think that her opponents have foul purposes, and 
that "good intentions" dont make up for this.

2.) Unless he has a different definition of teleology than I do, Rand did 
not use teleology.  Teleology is the practice of searching for evidence in 
nature of some "grand design" (which design would presumably provide the 
basis for "should").  Rand reverses this process.  She looks at nature and 
says "the fact that a living entity *is*, determines what it *ought* to do"
(directly).  There is nothing mystical about this - she is declaring that 
it is not appropriate for a living entity to act like that which it
(fundamentally) is not.

3.) I could not find anything that seems to say that Rand took a Utilitarian
stance on pollution.  I did find, in my quick search, statements that there 
are existing laws that should be enforced, and a suggestion that pollution 
is wrong when it harms people or property.  Her solutions to similar questions 
(eg the airwaves) are certainly not Utilitarian.  She did suggest that it is 
foolish to attack a technology when the benefits people gain from it so out 
weigh the damage done.  However, this was not her justification of her stance, 
but rather one attack on the view that we should give up progress for the 
sake of the environment.

4.)Why is it important that Rand didnt make a philosophyical distinction 
between the legislative and executive branches of government, (if she didnt)?

5.) I am not sure how a) or b), if correct, are failings as a philosopher,
so much as mis-understandings as a scholar.  His charge in c) is more
serious - he is essentially claiming plagiarism.  I must agree with
Dr. Peikoff - it seems absurd to believe that Rand would think she might
get away with plagiarizing from a source like Locke.  However, I would
be willing the look at the evidence.  Has anyone access to his article, 
or to both Locke's and Rand's works?

I do not have enough information to answer his comments on Nozick or Childs.

	Tom Craver
	houca!trc